4.0 specialization

[javid]

You are confusing Brow (which everyone gets) with Miracle (specialist only).

Miracle is 100% + 10% but halves IQ after use. Brow is 150% + 10% only on Good/Excellent and eats IQ.

Uuuggh Damn you right. Nevermind... I should have known.... brow is useless lol

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Remove good/excellent proc condition requirement from Byregot's Brow and Innovative Touch.

Actually, Byregot's Brow and Innovative Touch are not specialist actions. They can be used by any class without the Soul Stone.

My proposed solution:
Each specialisation would grant you 3 cross class skill from unlearned crafting classes. Great benefit for Specialist only, no benefit to OMNIs.

Now that I think about it, the Soul Stone should grant 5 unlearned cross class skills. After all, they will need Byregot's Blessing, which already occupies 1 slot. If they put on Maker's Mark and Flawless Syn, that's 3 slots occupied already. They will likely need a little bit more, like Steady Hand II or Piece by Piece as well. With this arrangement, they won't even be able to equip Careful Syn II and Comfort Zone, giving them a slight handicap comparing to Omnis.

Uuuggh Damn you right. Nevermind... I should have known.... brow is useless lol

Brow is not useless at all! It's now commonly used to prevent a Byregot's Blessing falling onto a Poor condition during a macro.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Actually, Byregot's Brow and Innovative Touch are not specialist actions. They can be used by any class without the Soul Stone.

I hate to correct you, Camie, but Innovative Touch *IS* a specialist action. For 8 CP you have a 40% chance (that's base, it goes up to 70% chance with SH2) of a 100% Efficiency Touch, same as Basic/Hasty, and after that is applied, you get Innovation.

I think both you and Chameleon were thinking of Precise Touch, which is a version of Basic Touch that can only be used on Good/Excellent but adds 2 to IQ stack rather than merely 1.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

I hate to correct you, Camie, but Innovative Touch *IS* a specialist action. For 8 CP you have a 40% chance (that's base, it goes up to 70% chance with SH2) of a 100% Efficiency Touch, same as Basic/Hasty, and after that is applied, you get Innovation.

I think both you and Chameleon were thinking of Precise Touch, which is a version of Basic Touch that can only be used on Good/Excellent but adds 2 to IQ stack rather than merely 1.

Oh DUH, what was I thinking!!! Somehow, I made that stupid mistake! LMAOOOO!
Thanks for correcting me on this! XD
Gonna cross that out in my earlier post.

[javid]

Brow is not useless at all! It's now commonly used to prevent a Byregot's Blessing falling onto a Poor condition during a macro.

It's functional for macros.......................................... and even still it hurts you more than it helps, since it will also proc the macro on a good condition

and a GOOD condition brow (50%+ 150% + 10%*[IQ-1]) is still weaker than a normal condition blessing with ing2 (ing2+100+20%[IQ-1]).... at max IQ

note: normal blessings remain better than GOOD brow @ IQ = x10 (IFF ing2 is at LEAST 17% BUFF) ; and normal blessings remains better than GOOD brow absolutely at IQ=x11 [doesn't matter the value of ing2 buff].

It's not a HORRIBLE trade......so I agree its still functional

[Caimie_Tsukino]

It's functional for macros.......................................... and even still it hurts you more than it helps, since it will also proc the macro on a good condition

and a GOOD condition brow (50%+ 150% + 10%*[IQ-1]) is still weaker than a normal condition blessing with ing2 (ing2+100+20%[IQ-1]).... at max IQ

note: normal blessings remain better than GOOD brow @ IQ = x10 (IFF ing2 is at LEAST 17% BUFF) ; and normal blessings remains better than GOOD brow absolutely at IQ=x11 [doesn't matter the value of ing2 buff].

It's not a HORRIBLE trade......so I agree its still functional

Good condition and Excellent condition give additional +50% and +150% CURRENT QUALITY GAIN (not bonus control) to your action respectively, whereas the IQ stacks give +20% BASE CONTROL per stack. So you can't just add them all up like you did up there, or the math will go wrong.

(P.S. This is also why when IQ stack is low, "Good" and Innovation's effect are very similar. But when IQ stack is high, "Good" is always of a higher priority than Innovation. e.g. if your base control is 900, but you are already at IQ8, and your current control is like 2340. Let's say it's supposed be translated to a quality gain of 500 for your Byregot's Blessing. Innovation would add 450 control to you 2340, resulting in 2790 control, which will be translated to a quality gain of about 600. But if a Good procs right before your Innovation, and you use it on your Byregot's Blessing, it'll result in a quality increase of 750. The result is far more superior than Innovation or even Innovation+Ingenuity II. Please remember that the numbers up there hasn't taken Great Strides into account yet. So the numbers should be 2x when Great Strides is used... further increasing the power difference.)

Indeed, at IQ6 or above, although Brow is always weaker than Blessing, a Brow on a Good condition is still very strong. If a Blessing on IQ10 can hit 100% HQ rate, then a Brow on IQ10 + a Good will very, very likely do it too.

The "bad" thing about Brow, is that it can only be used when Good or Excellent procs, and you need SH II active to make sure it's 100% secure, which is a pain.