[Dev question] Do you know about the player devision in palace of the dead?

[Astrus]

You do not know the ToS do you?
First off dispell is not in the game, you can't assume people know what that means.

Oh I know the ToS, I just interpret them different from the way you seem to do.

A dispell is in the game, it's just not called "Dispell" much like that spell that restores health is not called "That Spell that restores Health" and the AoE heal is not called "AoE Heal". The English names for the dispell action are Exalted Detriment for AST, Leeches for SCH and Esuna for WHM. The person asking for the dispell might not even have been playing with the English client, some of the localized names are vastly different.
Just to stick with the dispell action the German names are Exil for AST, Lustration for SCH and Medica for WHM. There's not much of a correlation between translated names here.

Referring to the action by what it does, dispell, is perfectly understandable. Especially if it was because something had to be cleansed asap and there was no time for looking at a wiki to check what the spell's exact name was.

Sometimes I wonder if people go out of their way to misunderstand everything in the worst possible way just to have something to label toxic.

[Sida]

You do not know the ToS do you?

Your friends were breaking it too, by closing the already open date by engaging monsters and thus disturbing the other players. On your definition of it anyway. Then again, I might be wrong. I guess your friends would have been just fine if someone with them kept running up and down one already scouted floor fighting the respawning monster just so they might get potshard drops. I mean, farming potshards is valid way to play and it is polite to wait them to do their thing, no? See, difference in playstyle is just that, difference in playstyle but it goes both ways and there is no one side that is right or wrong. That however is not intentional hampering of others that ToS clause is about. It is just, difference in playstyle. When people start killing all your quest mobs so you can't complete the quest, or interrupting your teleport attempts with trade request then you can cry wolf but at that point no one takes you seriously anymore.

[OranKells]

Yikes.


The lack of introspection here is palpable. Someone pass the popcorn.


P.S.: Putting [Dev Question] or anything to that effect in your title when you are in fact not a moderator or anything nearly guarantees the devs will ignore it out of spite

[ReplicaX]

I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this ...

It has been mentioned in the OP's other threads on the same subject several times. It is always a "friend" and the OP's poor interpretation of the "ToS", when the majority of the time their "friends" violate it also. Poor representation when you constantly make new threads over the same crap and demand changes.

[OranKells]

[SenorPatty]

Something I feel Ama will never acknowledged.

God forbid we call her out on it as well, for we will be labeled as toxic.

[Zigabar]

Oh, this again. My thoughts have always been 51-60 just expect speedrunning. Most speedrunners stay to those floors. If they're going beyond floor 60, they're doing it wrong, anyways. 61-100 expect to search for chests, for reasons above.

[Poll]

Part I

-How many times do you do PotD (Floors 51+) in a week and how many floor brackets do yo do?

About 8-10 floor brackets (51-60) a night.

-Following the above question, how many people do openly speak up about wanting to speedrun and if so, which floor brackets do you most encounter them in?

Almost never. Maybe once a week on floor 51.

-By that same note, how many people do openly speak up about wanting silver chests and/or explore all rooms and if so, which floor brackets do you most encounter them in?

Almost never. I've been doing my 8-10 runs a night for almost 2 months now and only had one instance where 2 people spoke up about wanting a chest run. We could not agree on a path, resulting in a kick. But, no one spoke up in the beginning that they wanted it. The chest runners waited until floor 54 to speak up in a hostile manner.

-From a scale from 1 to 5, with 5 being extremely satisfied and 1 being extremely unsatisfied, how would you rate your overall weekly completions of floor brackets:

A) 51-60 (5)
B) 61-70 (0)*
C) 71-80 (0)
D) 81-90 (0)
E) 91-100 (0)

*I don't enter floor brackets passed floor 60, as I don't feel like speedrunners belong there. Exp vs. time and all.

Part II

-When no one speaks up, list your main preferred or habitual style of PotD play

*Pure speedrun, kill only what needs to be killed to get passage open, no chests
^ This is my main go to.

*Mixed speedrun, killing only what needs to be killed but pick chests if they're in the same room
^ I will pluck silver chests in the room if anyone in the party is not 99/99.

*Pure chestrun, avoiding most monsters if possible to get all chests, then killing to progress

*Mixed chestrun, going after easy chests if possible but killing things along the way as well

*Whatever mood fits (other. pls describe)


-When someone requests any of the above playstyles, do you comply:

-Every time?
No.
-Sometimes?
Kind of. If they're stealthily checking the extra rooms and bringing a few additional trash mobs back to the passage, I will assist.
-Almost never?
King of. See above.
-At a whim?
See above.
-If the majority also agrees?
Yes, since this happens to be in my favor most of the time.
-If the majority does not agree?
I've never been on the wrong side of the majority, so, no? If I'm ever in that situation, I'd imagine I would sit at the open passage hoping for a kick.


-Do you request a preferred style in PotD? If so, how many times a week?
Never.
-By that same note, how many times does at least one party member complies with your request in a week?
N/A
-Have you ever wanted to kick someone because they did not comply?
Yes.
-Have you ever actually kicked someone because they did not comply?
Yes.

Part III

-Do you have a pet peeve in PoTD, aside from what might have been mentioned in the previous parts of the questionnaire? If so, how do you deal with it?

Players pulling mimics from another room and bringing it to the group. I'll wait until they get Pox before engaging, unless I can safely assume the mimic will die before the cast.

-If you could improve PotD in anyway, pls check the following (multiple answers eligible)
*Exp increase
*Exp decrease
*Monster increase
*Monster decrease
*Increased silver chests
*Decreased silver chests
*Increased aethergear gain rate
*Decreased aethergear gain rate
*Easier progression
*Harder progression
*Other (pls explain)

I like POTD the way it is.

[Ama_Hamada]

Oh I know the ToS, I just interpret them different from the way you seem to do.

A dispell is in the game, it's just not called "Dispell" much like that spell that restores health is not called "That Spell that restores Health" and the AoE heal is not called "AoE Heal". The English names for the dispell action are Exalted Detriment for AST, Leeches for SCH and Esuna for WHM. The person asking for the dispell might not even have been playing with the Englishclient, some of the localized names are vastly different.
Just to stick with the dispell action the German names are Exil for AST, Lustration for SCH and Medica for WHM. There's not much of a correlation between translated names here.

Referring to the action by what it does, dispell, is perfectly understandable. Especially if it was because something had to be cleansed asap and there was no time for looking at a wiki to check what the spell's exact name was.

Sometimes I wonder if people go out of their way to misunderstand everything in the worst possible way just to have something to label toxic.

Also "dispell" (guessing dispel?) is not leeches:
Dispel refers to a spell or ability that removes one or more beneficial status effects from a target. There are numerous ways an effect can be dispelled, be it a spell, blood pact, job ability, weapon effect, or monster special attack.
http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dispel

leeches:
Removes a single detrimental effect from target.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Leeches
THEY DO DIFFERENT THINGS!
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/One_Ilm_Punch

Additional Effect: Removes one beneficial status from target

SCH does not have dispel, but MNK does.

Spaming someone for leeches is a violation, insulting someone (name calling) is a violation, lol, you can interrupt the ToS differently all you like, but what matters is how the GMs see it.

"Sometimes I wonder if people go out of their way to misunderstand everything in the worst possible way just to have something to label toxic."
"Sometimes I wonder if people go out of their way to twist stories just to try attack someone in a passive-aggressive manner"

Oh wait.. that is exactly what you are doing:

Suddenly I'm no longer surprised that your friends always encounter the terrible "toxic" people wherever they go.

Let me guess, you are going to deny being toxic when you flat out insulted me friend and proved my point with the story twisting?

Second of all spamming someone is considered a violation and kickable so yes the kick was legitimate, 3rd even when they first asked for "dispell" it was done in an insulting manner and my friend was already considering kicking them for it, due to that insult and the noncooperation during the floors prior in not helping kill monsters to finish scouting the floors. Lastly when they spammed saying leeches, yeah that pushed it and got kicked for it. There is no excuse to defend toxicity and noncooperation in DF. I am shocked how people want to twist stories to attack people on the forums, but I hope it was from simply misunderstanding what was said.

You are acting like the person that got kicked asked for dispell in a civil manner and said "leeches" once, that is not what happened. Also keep in mind this was 4 floors or so later when they already had not being cooperative both in action and in chat. It was just an added offense that the speed runner was aggressive to my friend acting like it was her job (kinda like you are doing) to know what "dispell" is suppose to mean (even though you and the speedrunner got the wrong meaning anyway)

As for people saying I am the issue, no I do not have "problem with everyone" and I was disheartened to see one of my friends stop doing Deep for the day because of people not cooperating at all. (and no it is not the person I talk about frequently, a different person)

For the people that saying "different playstyles is not harassment/toxic" that is true, and I agree on that. MPKing, verbal abuse, and wiping runs because different playstyles is harassment however, like this case. I like to know why people seem to love and twist things around to try paint blame on me when it does not belong.

[ErryK]

leeches:
Removes a single detrimental effect from target.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Leeches
THEY DO DIFFERENT THINGS!
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/One_Ilm_Punch


SCH does not have dispel, but MNK does.

Oh honey...

[Jandor]

Speed runners literally can't progress to the next floor until the slowest person in the group has made it to the exit.

How much more control of the pace do you want?