[Dev question] Do you know about the player devision in palace of the dead?

[Newmanxeno]

You can still see the blacklisted person (in your own server at least), but it doesn't show you what they're saying in other chats.

I know the chat thing. What I meant was if I blacklist someone i thought it doesn't stop me from seeing them in the duty finder again.

[Atlaworks]

Hilarious posts aside, I saw a neat little survey, so I'mma go take that.

Part I

-How many times do you do PotD (Floors 51+) in a week and how many floor brackets do you do?
Incinsistent; usually once or twice a week, and usually just one bracket if I do. unless my friends wanna run 101+, then we'll knock like 60 floors of that out at once.
I'm at 99/99 aetherpool and got all the loot from potsherds, so I don't really need to go back unless it's for EXP.
-Following the above question, how many people do openly speak up about wanting to speedrun and if so, which floor brackets do you most encounter them in?
People don't usually speak up at all, but it tends to be implied heavily on 51-60 and then less so as you move further on. Some folks will just sit on the cairn of passage without saying a word.
-By that same note, how many people do openly speak up about wanting silver chests and/or explore all rooms and if so, which floor brackets do you most encounter them in?
Pretty much no one. If they do, I make an effort to check for chests. No one explores all rooms. If this happens at all, it's generally on floors lower than 50.
-From a scale from 1 to 5, with 5 being extremely satisfied and 1 being extremely unsatisfied, how would you rate your overall weekly completions of floor brackets:
Since I tend to do wither 51-60, or shotgun the whole thing, I can't really give an assessment of each set. But I don't have any problems with deep dungeon runs with pugs 90% of the time. I'd say 4 is accurate.


Part II

-When no one speaks up, list your main preferred or habitual style of PotD play

*Mixed speedrun, killing only what needs to be killed but pick chests if they're in the same room
This is my default. And probably what I'll still do regardless, unless the majority of the group is vehement as to otherwise.


-When someone requests any of the above playstyles, do you comply:

-Every time?
-Sometimes?
-Almost never?
-At a whim?
-If the majority also agrees?
-If the majority does not agree?
Usually. It's if the majority agrees, but also if the request is polite and well-articulated. If they call me toxic for not adhering to their whims for instance, they can get the hell out.


-Do you request a preferred style in PotD? If so, how many times a week?
Nah, I usually just go with the flow.
-By that same note, how many times does at least one party member complies with your request in a week?
I generally don't have any, so every time?
-Have you ever wanted to kick someone because they did not comply?
Yes, but generally only when their attitude becomes unsavory as well.
-Have you ever actually kicked someone because they did not comply?
Hell yeah.

Part III

-Do you have a pet peeve in PoTD, aside from what might have been mentioned in the previous parts of the questionnaire? If so, how do you deal with it?
I really wish people would stop pulling mobs off of me when I'm rolling melee. I know, tanks gonna tank, and people wanna focus fire, but if it's just one mob and I'm playing a punchman, just let me handle it. I got it, dude. Hell, I got it for up to like 3 mobs. Unless, y'know, there's nothing else to hit or what have you. Small maps happen.

-If you could improve PotD in anyway, pls check the following (multiple answers eligible)
*Exp increase
*Exp decrease
*Monster increase
*Monster decrease
*Increased silver chests
*Decreased silver chests
*Increased aethergear gain rate
*Decreased aethergear gain rate
*Easier progression
*Harder progression
*Other (pls explain)
I am all for more mobs as to rejoice in the glory of combat, but in terms of progression, I feel like aetherpool is more of a tax than anything, since it's required for 51+ in certain amounts and influences damage taken and done more than I'd like.
If I wanna keep running 101+, I don't really have a chance to grab kinna weapons,
for instance. EXP is fine, it's still best in the game. Progression is fine, if I can do 101+ I can handle 51-100 easy peesy. I'd like to see more special encounters, though, like the dead NPCs and stuff. Those are fun, but just too rare.

...Maybe let me exchange potsherds for crystal sand. That'd be nice.

[Nixxe]

Kicking someone for telling you the name of an ability when you don't know how to play your class seems pretty rude, honestly.

Either way, matched groups don't exist to carry you. If you want to wander off on your own and waste everyone's time, don't blame them when you're in over your head.


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Part I

-How many times do you do PotD (Floors 51+) in a week and how many floor brackets do yo do?
I don't know. Probably 10 sets or more a week when I'm doing them. I'll probably do 12 sets of floors today and then I'll be done leveling characters, so I'll stop doing PotD until RDM and SAM are a thing.

-Following the above question, how many people do openly speak up about wanting to speedrun and if so, which floor brackets do you most encounter them in?
I think only one person has ever explicitly asked for one.

-By that same note, how many people do openly speak up about wanting silver chests and/or explore all rooms and if so, which floor brackets do you most encounter them in?
A few, but usually people just take whatever is conveniently located.

-From a scale from 1 to 5, with 5 being extremely satisfied and 1 being extremely unsatisfied, how would you rate your overall weekly completions of floor brackets:

A) 51-60
3
B) 61-70
3
C) 71-80
3
D) 81-90
3
E) 91-100
2

Part II

-When no one speaks up, list your main preferred or habitual style of PotD play

*Pure speedrun, kill only what needs to be killed to get passage open, no chests
Realistically I'll grab some chests, if I feel like it, but I don't even necessarily grab every chest on my way and I outright refuse to touch silvers.

-When someone requests any of the above playstyles, do you comply:

-Sometimes?
It's a matched group, so I do what I want and they can do whatever they want. I may not be thrilled about it, but whatever. I was more helpful before I had run PotD like 150 times and got bored of it.

-Do you request a preferred style in PotD? If so, how many times a week?
No.
-By that same note, how many times does at least one party member complies with your request in a week?
N/A
-Have you ever wanted to kick someone because they did not comply?
Yes.
-Have you ever actually kicked someone because they did not comply?
No, I've only kicked people for being obnoxious.


Part III

-Do you have a pet peeve in PoTD, aside from what might have been mentioned in the previous parts of the questionnaire? If so, how do you deal with it?
People who seem to think we can level past 60. At least I assume that's what they think, given that they constantly pull 600 more mobs than we need. I just complain about them to my friend in Skype and typically do nothing to help them.

-If you could improve PotD in anyway, pls check the following (multiple answers eligible)
*Exp increase
*Monster decrease
*Increased aethergear gain rate
*Easier progression
*Harder progression

PotD is boring and I only care about the rewards when in matched groups, so naturally anything that lowers the amount of effort or increases the rewards is good with me.

[EorzeaHero69]

Solution: Either run a fixed party or solo.

[Kaethra]

I am personally sick of speedrunning toxicity in palace of the dead. I had speed runners MPK people over not speed running. Please change the game to discourage this behavior.

The issue is player created and thus has a player solution. The devs gave the Join as Fixed party to combat this.

With that said, everyone does PotD or any other dungeon a bit differently. Speedrunning isn't wrong, neither is the other way. Its the players responsibility to come to a consensus. If one cannot be reached then the group should part ways.

Think about it. Why would you want to be in a group with someone with different playstyle or goal and neither wants to change? This question hasn't be asked and therefor has not been answered. But everyone should sit here and read and think about it and answer it.

If the players in a group cannot agree or do not wish to play a compromise, they should vote disband the duty. That would avoid arguments.

[Alleo]

I am not sure if I should cry or laugh that someone believes that the scholar does not have a dispell spell. ._. Kicking someone because your "friend" somehow does not even know their own class skill is way more toxic than someone not helping against a monster.

I am also not sure why you need to post for your friends. If they have a problem maybe they should just create a topic themselves instead of sending you over to do so for them. Especially since you were not there yourself thus might not know everything.

Also just a little bit about the palace: This is content that you can do solo. I managed to go to 120 with my summoner completely alone and the biggest problems are only some bosses and DC or laggs. Really why just not run palace with only two people? There is more than enough time to do it that way and they could simply level up their armor in the lower floors. This might take more time but if they want all the chests anyway than this would be better for them. No "toxic" other players too. If you go with them they are even three people, so more than enough to finish it.

[Neri]

Why the heck are you citing Dispel from FFXI? Isn't that the skill name there or something? Dispel with the normal definition by itself is "to remove". Doesn't really matter if it's beneficial or not.

[Ama_Hamada]

Why the heck are you citing Dispel from FFXI? Isn't that the skill name there or something? Dispel with the normal definition by itself is "to remove". Doesn't really matter if it's beneficial or not.

Huh? Yeah it does. Dispel means to remove something off you are fighting, so removing something that benefits like One Ilm Punch, so my friend was confused why this was being asked when something was dead and during downtime. She also did not see any effect that needed esuna/erase/leeches (w/e term you wanted to use) so asking for "dispell" + insult was way out of line, only to spam leeches on top of that split seconds later? Makes the following quotes simply not true and story twisting:

Kicking someone for telling you the name of an ability when you don't know how to play your class seems pretty rude, honestly.

I did not say this, people need to stop twisting the story around and attempt to fuel toxicity on these forums. You attacking me in this manner is what is rude. (also neglecting I was not in the story itself is also lolworthly, We did a trio for 1 run after one of them couldn't take doing runs anymore due to the mass noncooperation, as in 3 fixed, not 3 +1 random. The 2 that came in to replace the 2 speedrunners where not much better, and the WHM that was a replace was gate rushing with rage even, not using it properly. So the other friend got irritated and made a fixed trio.)

Also a friendly reminder that miscommunication may not necessarily be anyone's fault: seems to me that Ama judged this "adversary" far too harshly and abused their vote-kick, as the "spamming" was likely a panicking player desperately calling for help and seemingly receiving nothing but contempt for their troubles.

I did not say this, people need to stop twisting the story around and attempt to fuel toxicity on these forums. Now I see why people tell me consistently why they avoid the forums due to toxicity.

[Felis]

Huh? Yeah it does. Dispel means to remove something off you are fighting, so removing something that benefits like One Ilm Punch, so my friend was confused why this was being asked when something was dead and during downtime.

removing a buff I would call debuff

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Huh? Yeah it does. Dispel means to remove something off you are fighting, so removing something that benefits like One Ilm Punch, so my friend was confused why this was being asked when something was dead and during downtime. She also did not see any effect that needed esuna/erase/leeches (w/e term you wanted to use) so asking for "dispell" + insult was way out of line, only to spam leeches on top of that split seconds later? Makes the following quotes simply not true and story twisting:

dis·pel
dəˈspel/
verb
verb: dispel; 3rd person present: dispels; past tense: dispelled; past participle: dispelled; gerund or present participle: dispelling
make (a doubt, feeling, or belief) disappear.
"the brightness of the day did nothing to dispel Elaine's dejection"
synonyms: banish, eliminate, drive away/off, get rid of; More