Suggestion as to how to get people to become healers.

[Mycow8me]

Again, are you reading his post? It makes no sense. You can't say "WHM spells cost too little mp right now, then say , we need drop cleric stance because whm spells cost too much mp? That is not an opinion anymore. Meaning, he is contradicting himself for whatever reason.

Because cleric stance becomes useless and skill bloat when you don't need to dps as much, annoying even when you are recasting DoTs between healing which I've stated numerous times. I never once implied that currently clerics stance is useless cause of mp costs. You are just reading into it differently apparently.
You continue to discredit my opinion of whm when back in 2.0 holy spam was about the same it is now. You continue to call me a troll because you are unable to see an opinion my way... You continue to have writing/reading deficits. I don't know where to start or to end with you. I feel like I'm talking to a potato. I'll just agree to disagree.

Healers can heal for around 20% of a tanks max HP every GCD noncrit just spamming a single spell. That's 40% max HP every GCD in a full party. Around 20% of everyone's max HP every GCD by having both spam AoEs. A bit more to account for fairy/regen/CDs. Do you realize how insane it'd be to up the damage to match current healing levels? How insanely stressful healing would become? You can catch a glimpse of what you're asking for in PvP.

I find the very notion sooomewhat insane. But whatever it takes not to get nerfed or class complexity, huh?

So what, you want to lower their healing capability instead to make content more variable with healing? I thought making healing more stressful was the idea, so they would heal more and dps less. There's obviously a point at which it becomes to stressful but are we really that close right now? I feel like I dps spam more than I heal in pretty much every content unless the party has alot of low skill or new players. I don't do PVP.

[Ama_Hamada]

Because cleric stance becomes useless and skill bloat when you don't need to dps as much, annoying even when you are recasting DoTs between healing which I've stated numerous times. I never once implied that currently clerics stance is useless cause of mp costs. You are just reading into it differently apparently.You continue to discredit my opinion of whm when back in 2.0 holy spam was about the same it is now. You continue to call me a troll because you are unable to see an opinion my way... You continue to have writing/reading deficits. I don't know where to start or to end with you. I feel like I'm talking to a potato. I'll just agree to disagree.



So what, you want to lower their healing capability instead to make content more variable with healing? I thought making healing more stressful was the idea, so they would heal more and dps less. There's obviously a point at which it becomes to stressful but are we really that close right now? I feel like I dps spam more than I heal in pretty much every content unless the party has alot of low skill or new players. I don't do PVP.

Say it with me now.
This is not 2.0
this is not 2.0
this is not 2.0

No it is not the same. You really need more experience. It is not a discredit, it is just hard to relate when you have little experience.

That's a lot of silliness over there. Flare being all MP aside, and factoring in "X amount of BLM MP" when their MP is functionally infinite, is on a different scale.

But more than that you're still insisting this person is a troll and contradicting themselves when they're articulating their argument in a polite and concise way, and explaining thoroughly why their idea works how it does. It's functionally "They say Clerics is too hard to toggle, just make it harder to DPS in a different way by making the mana bar what they juggle instead of Clerics". You're just shooting everything down that's not "Give healers more DPS we want more DPS" and discrediting the person you're arguing with because they're not a level 60 healer like you, like it's a prerequisite to present any sort of idea. It reminds me of how children will hold their breath until they pass out when they get angry.

But that does not work! Even if we assume that is what the person meant, it is TOO HARD ON WHM MP! to make matters worse, he is not experienced in WHM to know if it is a good idea or not. If you are going to try limit DPS over the use of cleric stance or enlarging the mp cost, I pick cleric. There is no issue with cleric stance, if they take it out they better take out tank stance dancing because there is a good number that can't do it right and makes it too hard to heal. If clerics is too hard then all DPS in this game is too hard.

Technically, no. Flare is a minimum of 850~MP. You don't need all your MP to use it, but you CAN use all your MP to use it.

Also, Mycow8me, as far as I'm concerned, healers should be DPSing as long as their heals aren't required for that specific GCD. If you believe that they shouldn't be DPSing and that Cleric needs to go and MP costs need to be boosted, that's fine. You can have that mindset, even if it's inane to state that MP consumption should be high for DPS spells. Imagine running out of MP in the middle of a story duty and failing because you can neither heal yourself nor deal damage to the enemy... that would be broken.

Just take a second and think about what you're talking about instead of just throwing out ideas without thinking of repercussions.

exactly. Increasing MP cost just breaks more then solve.

As someone who has always mained a healer and does DPS without issue current state, I support the removal of cleric stance and having healer dps scale off MND. Cleric stance is cumbersome and not fictionally needed. 4.0 is supposed to be about closing skill gap after all....

Can we close the gap with tanks and remove tank stances?