Tank Stances.

[Driavna]

To be honest, I don't drop tank stance during pulls with randoms but both WAR and DK have tools to AoE tanking outside tank stance with 0 problems. However, a tank stance that doesn't allow/limit skills adds nothing to the gameplay.

[bswpayton]

@Awful

Im gona guess u only run content with your friends cause most df healers can barely heal a tank in tank stance, Ive seen no grit drks, deliverance warriors melt tryin to pull stuff like that with random healers.

[SyzzleSpark]

@Awful

Im gona guess u only run content with your friends cause most df healers can barely heal a tank in tank stance, Ive seen no grit drks, deliverance warriors melt tryin to pull stuff like that with random healers.

I submit this video for your personal edification and hopefully enjoyment: https://youtu.be/EoClXjDizZk

I have no clue who that healer is. Complete stranger. Didn't even speak to them during the entire instance.

Tanks that "melt" under these circumstances are playing poorly. It is not a shortcoming of the job, or the stance/lack thereof, (whether on the part of the tank or the healer), but of the person playing it.

[Awful]

@Awful

Im gona guess u only run content with your friends cause most df healers can barely heal a tank in tank stance, Ive seen no grit drks, deliverance warriors melt tryin to pull stuff like that with random healers.

Not all the time I run with my friends it's actually rare that I do due to real life stuff being a thing for everyone and SB hiatus and what not I've had PUGs not care and I haven't had anyone get mad. However with that being said I don't have any healers get mad at me or curse at me because like I said before, I know how to manage my CDs and i'm overgeared for the content as I said before.

What Syzzle said in regards to you is correct tanks will be destroyed under these circumstances if playing poorly and they do as it reflects throughout the dungeon, it's a lack of the player able to bring the best out of their class.

I'll give you an example of a run I had a month ago, the healer was bored so he decided to give me a Balance on an AoE pull, BRD was singing Foes and I hit Abyssal Drain and started crit healing myself for 2.5k the healer laughed super hard and just put a regen on me and used Gravity. This was a PUG healer who did this twice on the big pulls in Sohm Al and I had 0 issues with threat, 0 issues with healing, and the trash and the fights went super fast, no one complained.

[ChloeGrace]

it wouldn't stop stance dancing at all. It would actually make it more permanent.

Not if enmity degrades much faster than now (which is not at all).
The same way healers are not challenged to heal, tanks are not challenged to hold hate, thus, creating the dps meta.

[bswpayton]

Not all the time I run with my friends it's actually rare that I do due to real life stuff being a thing .

I will gladly try this myself , I run these dungeons very often so I guess spamming them u get more variety in players. I frequently run into monks that only single target, dragoons to. I guess I just don't trust other players to why I have only tanked with no tank stance on bosses only

[JisKing98]

Meanwhile i just stay in grit and darkside all the time. Only time i ever turn off grit is if im the off tank. Makes it easier on me when i got a lot of mobs on me and only me.

[SyzzleSpark]

Saying healers and tanks shouldn't DPS is usually based off of pre-existing experience and/or expectations from other MMOs.

Coming to THIS game and saying healers and tanks shouldn't DPS is like coming to Sonic from Mario and saying Sonic shouldn't go fast because Mario didn't go fast.

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[Neela]

You don't need tank stance you can run around in an expert/60 dungeon without it all (...) I never lose threat.

than use your gift and open a workshop for all those potd scrubs lately who never heard of tank stances at all... recommending to take tank stance off these days, just doesn't feel right, we have enough unskilled player around yet. don't feed their incompetence by telling them they would do it right... .____.

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Spam Abyssal drain while Scourging everything and having Salted Earth I never lose threat.

this won't be enough if you ll meet another equal skilled player at all... I lately started to use lp potions... cause it became more or less common that I see 8-9/10 mobs on my enmity bar after every 2nd buffed Deathflare... this is embarrassing... so no pls do not spread this off-tankstance mentality : /

[Awful]

than use your gift and open a workshop for all those potd scrubs lately who never heard of tank stances at all... recommending to take tank stance off these days, just doesn't feel right, we have enough unskilled player around yet. don't feed their incompetence by telling them they would do it right... .____.

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this won't be enough if you ll meet another equal skilled player at all... I lately started to use lp potions... cause it became more or less common that I see 8-9/10 mobs on my enmity bar after every 2nd buffed Deathflare... this is embarrassing... so no pls do not spread this off-tankstance mentality : /

Here's the problem with your comparison; you want people to get better in PoTD when it's probably one of the worst ways to level, if they haven't figured out tank stance or how to tank properly there's not much you can do about that it's a player base problem. I don't recommend to newbies to take of their tank stance that comes with experience and learning the job inside and out if i'm healing and a tanks in tank stance doing pulls I don't care, if i'm tanking I care because i'm the one doing the pulls, the extra DPS etc. You can also do PoTD 1-100 without a tank or even solo so it wasn't made for tanks per se, not to mention players can manipulate floors/mobs/buffs to make up for lack of tank with DPS shocking I know.

About your spreading this "nonsense" look at Syzzles post she did a gigantic pull without Grit on and did she lose threat? No. I even stated that I had a Smn in ilvl 268-269 who had an ilvl 270 book and fully melded Deathflaring and I didn't lose threat once. So you must be doing something wrong so don't blame it on the lack of emnity I stated i've had 0 issues even with a caster heavy group double SMN/ or SMN/BLM/WHM so I would say that this falls on you.

I will reiterate since you think i'm spouting ALL newbies tanks to take tank stance off, no i'm not this is aimed at 60 content as the good tanks know that you can keep threat out of stance 100% of the time this goes for dungeons, raids, EX primals and Alex Savage, you can tank all of Alex Savage out of tank stance and be fine. It's the majority of tanks haven't learned that they can hold threat without tank stance and honestly if you're not comfortable practice, pull everything with your tank stance on, pop a CD, and then spam your AoE/DPS combo.