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    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Ririta View Post
    No one is pointing at XI and calling it a "traditional summoner"
    LMAO. Your blinders really are well fixed in place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    For the record I did indeed try it your way...

    but had the problem of the DoTs dropping off shortly after that and losing major DPS because my DoTs dropped off and I was unable to get them back up due to dodging mechanics... and Tri-Disaster was on cooldown. I shortly discovered it has a full one minute cooldown and even with Contagion on the DoTs its only 30 seconds before you start to lose them.
    Umm... okay? With your opening rotation, in which you use Tri-disaster later, you would be in the same spot but with even longer cooldown on the Tri-disaster.

    Just to be sure we're actually on the same page:

    My opener:
    Swiftcast Shadowflare --> Bio II --> Miasma --> Bio --> Rouse --> Spur --> Ruin 3 --> Fester --> Enkindle --> Ruin 3 --> Painflare --> Ruin 3 --> Ruin 3 --> Fester --> Ruin 3 --> Raging Strikes --> Dreadwyrm Trance --> Ruin 3 --> Tri-disaster --> Ruin 3 --> Contagion --> Ruin 3 --> (Aetherflow if/when available) --> Ruin 3 --> Ruin 3 --> Ruin 3 (or Ruin 2 if less than 3 seconds left) --> Deathflare --> Fester (if Aetherflow was available) --> Shadowflare --> priority rotation

    Total GCD's: 15
    Remaining cd on Tri-disaster after Deathflare: ~45s
    Remaining cd on Contagion after Deathflare: ~48s
    Remaining duration of dots after Deathflare: ~30/24/18s (the last doesn't really matter to your argument since it's instant cast)
    Total duration of buffed dots: 45/39/33s

    Your opener:
    Quick Cast + Shadowflare>Bio 2>Miasma>Bio>(Garuda) Contagion>Fester>Ruin 3>Ruin 3>Fester>Rouse + Spur + Enkindle (Aerial Blast)>Ruin 3>Fester>Dreadwyrm Trance>Ruin 3 (x4)>Tri-Disaster>Deathflare (aka TeraFlare).
    Total GCD's: 11 as written, although actually 15 (You're missing either 2 ruin 3's or a ruin3+ruin2 in your trance, and there's dead space in between each of your festers which take at least 3 gcd between but you have less listed, so really your rotation has 15, same as mine.)
    Remaining cd on Tri-disaster after Deathflare: ~60s
    Remaining cd on Contagion after Deathflare: ~30s
    Remaining duration of dots after Deathflare: ~30/24/18s (note that this is the same, so we both have 15gcd openers that have dots that linger the same amount of time)
    Total duration of buffed dots: 30/24/18s (You are missing Raging Strikes in your list, so I assume you use it shortly before Dreadwyrm for the additional dps on both your Ruin3 spam and on your Tri-disaster.)

    I.e. Both rotations would require hard cast refreshing dots at the same time, since both Tri-disaster and Contagion are on cooldown. The difference basically is that your opener trades 15s cooldown of Contagion for 15s of cooldown of Tri-disaster at a cost of losing an additional 30% dps on your dots for 15s. And my opener appears better set up to have Tri-disaster and Contagion always line up for ready application of long duration dots every trance, since the cooldowns are all lined up nicely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    And also for the record... you and I do see the SMN issues the same way.
    Oh, I know. I was just was curious why you weren't using Contagion during the highest dot dps phase of the opener, since it's like an AST that uses a parser knowingly giving Balance to the lower DPS of the group.
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    Last edited by Mhaeric; 05-03-2017 at 02:23 PM.