Why are summoners so neglected?

[Ririta]

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/fina...lood-expansion

Yoshida:
One example of this was the Summoner. That was highly demanded, but once it was in, there were more and more requests. "You should be able to summon all the Summons and Eidolons!" That can push a person to think, "Oh, I shouldn't have included a Summoner in there." It is something that we need to be very mindful of, because something that could be implemented into an MMO may not necessarily be fun in a standalone Final Fantasy. The opposite is also true; an FF element that people have a strong attachment to may not translate well into the world of an MMO.

I mean, how hard is it to add some pets? WoW hunters has several. My elementalist in GW2 can summon more stuff than my FFXIV summoner. My warlock in WoW has more pets than my FFXIV summoner. Why is this allowed?

It wouldn't be acceptable for black mages to never get any more new spells, would it?

You neglect the job so much and then get surprised that people say that it shouldn't have been added at all. You know what? People would say the same thing about black mages if all they could use was Fire I, Blizzard I and Thunder I. No Flare, no Fire III, no anything else.

[MicahZerrshia]

SE is very unimaginative at times. They limit themselves in ways that are mindblowing to me sometimes. And then others they release content that would get a 3rd year student an F.

I really think they are just clueless when it comes to mmos. They are so behind the times and so self limiting. They cannot think outside their little box and seem to not know which way is up, except for ilvl that is, they cannot raise it fast enough. They dumb down the basics over a few vocal gimme gimmes and they just cannot for the life of them keep with a set course.

Idk what is going on at SE hq but they seriously need some fresh eyes to look at things.

[starLivitation]

SE is very unimaginative at times. They limit themselves in ways that are mindblowing to me sometimes. And then others they release content that would get a 3rd year student an F.

I really think they are just clueless when it comes to mmos. They are so behind the times and so self limiting. They cannot think outside their little box and seem to not know which way is up, except for ilvl that is, they cannot raise it fast enough. They dumb down the basics over a few vocal gimme gimmes and they just cannot for the life of them keep with a set course.

Idk what is going on at SE hq but they seriously need some fresh eyes to look at things.

i agree, i wanted to see open world content for once in 4.0, but looks like Yoshi won't even consider it in his recent interview, because he says, people want to go duty finder and wait exactly 20 minute to go to the instance from their fc house and dont wana form a party to go out to the open world to pop a NM or hunt something. but guess what, why don't u give it a try and see if we like it or not. why don't we have hybrid content, some instanced and some open world.

[NolLacnala]

Idk what is going on at SE hq...

Oh, that's easy, I can answer that

[Kurogaea]

SE is very unimaginative at times. They limit themselves in ways that are mindblowing to me sometimes. And then others they release content that would get a 3rd year student an F.

They need Yoko Taro working some good ol' magic in here

[RLofOBFL]

I'm pretty sure this falls under "balancing" issues.

Also summons do not have 1 attack. They have 5 each. So your comparison to BLM doesn't work well.

I do think they could add OGCDs that just summon something to attack as your own attack though. Like "Zantestuken", potency of 300 etc etc.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I do think they could add OGCDs that just summon something to attack as your own attack though. Like "Zantestuken", potency of 300 etc etc.

I think they would be a great compromise. From a lore perspective, you could simply handwave it as Summoners borrowing a small portion of power to make the equivalent Hell Fire, Diamond Dust or something.

[Ririta]

Also summons do not have 1 attack. They have 5 each. So your comparison to BLM doesn't work well.

Only the level 20 and level 40 ones are unique, and of those, only the level 40 ones matters; so that's the only one that needs to be balanced (why the heck is Contagion still tied to Garuda instead of the summoner themselves?)

[xxvaynxx]

(why the heck is Contagion still tied to Garuda instead of the summoner themselves?)

This right here.
If it wasn't for contagion I would use ifrit (unless there's a bard) more and to be honest, they SHOULD do this if they thinking about adding more pets, because come on really? extending your DoT timer on a DoT job locked to one pet...So they either need to give it to summoner itself or to all Pets.
If they don't, garuda will always be the best pet to use in Raids and EX Primals due to contagion.

[NaesakiAshwell]

This right here.
If it wasn't for contagion I would use ifrit (unless there's a bard) more and to be honest, they SHOULD do this if they thinking about adding more pets, because come on really? extending your DoT timer on a DoT job locked to one pet...So they either need to give it to summoner itself or to all Pets.
If they don't, garuda will always be the best pet to use in Raids and EX Primals due to contagion.

I'd honestly prefer contagion as a spell to use myself so I could cycle the summons more, and also a lot of the time you really have to click contagion several times before Garuda will actually do it.