Why are summoners so neglected?

[Ririta]

LMAO. Your blinders really are well fixed in place.

People really aren't though, I think everyone agrees that summoners fundamentally changed after FFIX, which means XI's isn't the "traditional" one

[Mhaeric]

People really aren't though, I think everyone agrees that summoners fundamentally changed after FFIX, which means XI's isn't the "traditional" one

And that's why almost all of the suggestions are along the lines of, "Make Summoner damage more summon based like it was in FFXI and other FF games" and "I'm not a summoner because I don't summon flashy things like in FFXI or other FF games."

You'll also notice that you were the one that made the association to FFXI in the context of my statement on the perception of traditional and true summoners, not me. I haven't used the term "FFXI" at all until this post.

[Ririta]

And that's why almost all of the suggestions are along the lines of, "Make Summoner damage more summon based like it was in FFXI and other FF games" and "I'm not a summoner because I don't summon flashy things like in FFXI or other FF games."

You'll also notice that you were the one that made the association to FFXI in the context of my statement on the perception of traditional and true summoners, not me. I haven't used the term "FFXI" at all until this post.

People mentioning XI as what they want from summoner doesn't means that they think that's the "classic summoner", most here agree that the classic summoner called them once for an attack and then vanished. So if even XI doesn't fits that criteria, why would XIV's?

In 2.0 that claim had some merit since smn was underwhelming with only dots and a couple of dot exploits, but 3.0 changed it into a more than viable job

Summoner was actually one of the strongest DPS in 2.0 and remained better than black mages until 2.3, over half of ARR's life. Nobody is contesting summoner's viability in meta raiding, people really need to stop mixing DPS numbers with class fantasy.