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[Llan]

It's not about being the world's first, its about respect. If you're going into content...

Patience for learning groups is not in anyway similar to letting people not try because they just have better things to do...

Sure, and you mean to tell me that a parser would allow you to know if they are trying or not based solely on their DPS numbers?
That's exactly why we don't need parsers. What for? To create arbitrary reasons to kick people and make people sad or mad during content that was supposed to be fun?
As a main Tank I come across 1 or maybe 2 very low DPS people a day. And it's not like they ruin the run for me at all.

What ruins things are people that don't want to learn/hear explanations and/or are toxic.

You might not harass players because of parse #s but there are plenty that will and I refuse to accept something like that.

[Shougun]

Sure, and you mean to tell me that a parser would allow you to know if they are trying or not based solely on their DPS numbers?

If it's really bad yeah lol. Thats why I've been saying near afk levels (as you're right at a point it will become difficult to tell), since it might be hard to tell the difference between a pro who memorized rotations but is barely paying attention and a new person who is paying attention but hanging on by their fingertips. Someone who just presses one over and over is going to have near "I'm not even here" levels and should be noticeable though, certain parser tools would even let you know if it was just one button or not XD.

Someone who is just playing poorly I might give a tip to or not, depending on if I know the issue and by how much (like if someone seems chipper with a good hello in the beginning but I notice they're using bane before their dots in PotD I'll explain that you dot then bane, only really mentioning core mechanics).

I also don't parse in FFXIV because I'm far more care free than I was in WoW lol, although I did look up some tank guides to make sure I've got the right premises (I'm also aware however that the people that made the guides used parser knowledge to develop the craft they shared). Mostly I just take up these conversations because I don't agree that they're all purely negative tools, that using the information doesn't automatically constitute harassment, that I don't believe there is (or at least was) that big a difference in the WoW and FFXIV community (I haven't played in two years, minus messing around on a friend's account). Or that because of SE's weird stance on it that I think the negatives that people may fear they already do actually feel but just from the shadows rather than in clarity (since SE has basically already half allowed it with their dont ask dont tell policy, Yoshida having even watched raid groups that have it up on screen and there is no punishment).

The meta adjustments already seep through, and the discords and groups already use it from the shadows. I feel we could make some sort of thriller youtube video on it.. "in the darkness of night.. under guise of discord the parsers come out.. secretly judging you and kicking you for "difference in play style" *queue screams*" lol.

I do however respect people's concern that it will make the community worse, I mean as I said I'm not certain it will and disagree on some elements (to me the issues are not the tools but the people, if there is a problem you do something about the people rather than the tool like "video games make murders" we all know thats lazy talk - go to the parent instead). I see about 1 or 2 people in the raids that are pretty much afk, but in smaller groups I generally have less issues so I would agree with your perspective as well (on player issues), but I also don't parse so I have no idea if I'm just not paying attention to all 24 people or not lol.

I do agree that people will see harassment /with/ parser as part of the bludgeon but I generally, again as said before, think you'd be bludgeoned anyways just with something else - the tool not making people more rude/intolerant/aggressive than they already were (I also like the idea that at least what I'm being beat up with might have some information I can learn from rather than useless shadow vague garble lol).

[Llan]

Here's the interesting thing. I never tanked in WoW.
I joined Final Fantasy XIV back in 1.0 as an Archer, became a Tank during ARR's end and HW with DRK and PLD.
I learned how to play my role without parse or guides to help me figure out what I need to do.

I think learning your class is about trying out and reading. Playing the class rather than forcing yourself to reach certain standards. But I learned it as I leveled the class experimenting with the abilities and reading the descriptions. People usually expect tanks to know everything about the run so It's even harder for us to get some good intel when we need it during a duty.

Anyways. I see your point, I just respectfully disagree with the idea of a parser in-game. That's something that we don't need for the majority of the game and solves very little issues with very specific content.

@Orbiaus

Are things getting killed in a good time during your rotations? Are you able to clear content?
That's the important thing. The number part is honestly just so you can feel better with yourself. And not everyone uses rotations from people that use parse, some people use rotations that they figured out. And I respect that and I want them to be able to keep doing that honestly. THey have fun with it and so do I.