Why no Xbox?

[Kosmos992k]

I think their short sightedness in requiring PSN and SE accounts to be linked is also an issue with adding additional service options (xbox, nintendo).

Also PSN is required for basically everything on PS4, I'm not sure why that is even brought up. In order to play Nier and Horizon I just got a little bit ago I had to renew my membership to update my PS4...so I dunno it seems dumb to bring it up since you have to pay for it to use the PS4 to begin with.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The linkage is simply for license checking and posting in the PSN ID on your search information it has no impact on whether any other game system can be involved with FFXIV, where do you even come up with that idea from?

PSN itself is free, it's required for basic license checking to ensure that the games you buy digitally are correctly licensed. When you buy a PS4, it connects to PSn for things like PS Store downloads and firmware updates, and you pay nothing to sign up on PSN, it's 100% free. On the other hand, PS Plus is not free and I think it is the thing you're thinking of. PS Plus is the equivalent of XBL Gold membership, PS Plus is needed for online play unless a developer does as SE has and provides all the servers and service themselves. You had to pay for PS Plus to play Horizon an Nier, but then neither of them are subscription games, they are free once you buy the game. It's a completely different case. FFXIV is subscription based which you pay to SE. You do in fact pay exactly nothing to Sony in order to play FFXIV, beyond purchasing the console and the royalties from the original game purchase of course.

I wouldn't even be against a private server at this point. Honestly the Xbox server would likely be very small, hypothetically speaking that is, given the game would be released in 4.0 if they did bring it over. But being on a private server would have some benefits, wouldn't have a need for 3rd party chat support, the servers would likely be very community driven, since they wouldn't be able to just jump off to a new server.

Also if we consider them jumping right into a current server chances are Xbox players would likely find a dead server anyway and create a unofficial Xbox server, similar to how Gig is the unofficial raid server, Bal is the unofficial RP server, Fairy tmk is the unofficial lgbt server, and Siren iifc is the reddit server.

Saywhatnow? That makes very little sense. Adding Xbox players to the game and segregating them on private servers would add literally nothing to the game. I can't see why or how you think Xbox players would voluntarily segregate themselves either, the point of adding Xbox would be to allow Xbox gamers to play FFXIV with their friends whatever client their friends use. Private servers negate that.

Your comment about finding dead servers makes me laugh as well, the point of adding more users to an online game is to add life, your comments suggest to me that you'd rather we all segregate into niche servers which then fade and die.

[era1Ne]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The linkage is simply for license checking and posting in the PSN ID on your search information it has no impact on whether any other game system can be involved with FFXIV, where do you even come up with that idea from?

Not this again. Of course there is no real technical reason, but still the policies order the publishers to ask wether they are allowed to do crossplay or not. In some cases they are and in some like the chess game i posted earlier they aren't, because if you look at their site today, then you would see no cross play for ps4 is allowed at the moment.
Edit: A few examples for cross play
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2017/02/...ntendo-switch/
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/07/2...play-for-gwent
https://twitter.com/mykeryu/status/761704021312712705

PS Plus is needed for online play unless a developer does as SE has and provides all the servers and service themselves.

Some developers use their own server to run their games and still have to go over PS+. because this is about policies from Sony and nothing else. F2P and monthly sub based MMO are free. Simple as that. Which is great by the way, because microsoft for example isn't consumer friendly in this case and requires gold no matter what.

Edit:

That is not a technical issue, it’s a business issue. We’re on different platforms and each partner has its own ideas on which groups they want their players to be with.

From this interview with EOS developer http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-on...or-matt-firor/

[Kosmos992k]

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This is the last time I will respond to your nonsense. PSN is the only thing needed for playing FFXIV on PS4, PLPLUS is not involved at all. PSN is 100% free, and is only used to authenticate you, your PS4 and your license. Once you login to FFXIV Sonys network could go down completely and you get to continue playing because PSN isn't involved in playing FFXIV.

This is one of the models of online gaming that Sony supports. There are others, it depends on what the game developer and publisher want to do.

I'm still not sure what point you are really arguing, it seems each time that you narrow your point further, either way, you clearly will not listen to reason. Long story short, Sony supports cross platform play both with and without PS PLUS, Microsoft only supports restricted cross play within XBL Gold membership. What more need be said?

[era1Ne]

This is the last time I will respond to your nonsense. PSN is the only thing needed for playing FFXIV on PS4, PLPLUS is not involved at all. PSN is 100% free, and is only used to authenticate you, your PS4 and your license. Once you login to FFXIV Sonys network could go down completely and you get to continue playing because PSN isn't involved in playing FFXIV.

I already knew that. The issue are some of your reasons why it works for FF14 and you dont get sometimes from which perspective i am talking, which a post earlier from you clearly showed me. I talked about developers and you came with sth along the lines "i can use the ps4 broswer" (aka consumer perspective)

For example you said ps4 is an computer. No, it is not, because the ps4 is still a close system and publishers have to work with the plattform holder - in this case sony - together to get patches, games on the plattform or their own store (EA tried and failed, because sony denied them to get ea access on ps4) and ask Sony, if they can do cross play the way they want. You don't need to do any of this on computer. They can release as an example patches, when and how they want. Nobody tells them anything. there are no rules, except if they use another companys store for example. Then you came with, the ps4 can access the internet. Of course it can. Then with, we as consumers can use the browser. Of course we can, but the browser is from Sony and we are not allowed to do some things with it. We can't download wallpapers for example like we are used to on PC. Why? Because the ps4 is not an open system like your post suggest. Now on the topic of cross play....

I'm still not sure what point you are really arguing, it seems each time that you narrow your point further, either way, you clearly will not listen to reason. Long story short, Sony supports cross platform play both with and without PS PLUS,

Sony supports cross plattform play on a case to case basis. Some games have cross play and others aren't even if the developer came out and asked sony. Thats what you don't want to get for some reason. Instead you go on with your assumption about PSN and XBL without giving a source. Even when every, literaly every link i posted should tell you that, they have to reach out and get an agreement. They can't do what they want, because the ps4 is not an open system. And yes, even if the publisher has their own account system and servers. In the end the ps4 or xbox are still not their systems and they have to play by the rules the plattform owners has writen down on paper.

Microsoft only supports restricted cross play within XBL Gold membership. What more need be said?

So this is what all of this mistundestand comes to? You think, because you need an Gold membership every cross playable games has to be on microsoft servers? No, you are wrong if you really think this. Third party today use own servers on ps4 and xbox one alike and still are forced to implement in their games the respective sub model, because Sony and Microsoft want you to pay for mp this generation. No matter what. Simply an business decision. The only exception are sub based MMO and F2P on ps4. You said the ps+ cost would come down to the game using PSN or use their own server (and service) ike FF14 is. Again, no it comes down to FF14 beeing an monthly sub mmo game. Nothing else. You don't need to know anything about the console business as you seem to be (no offense), the examples are out there.

[ReplicaX]

I wouldn't even be against a private server at this point.

I am glad that SE's position is the opposite. XIV Subs should not be paying for it, period. The game is getting more and more cross-world implementations which helps the entire community. MS needs to accept the conditions required or admit it refuses to change policies for that model. SE should stand their ground as they want to keep their True Cross-platform model they have been running since 2002.

I already knew that.

Your point is moot outside the realm of XIV.

SE should never bend to the will of MS for the sake of its existing model. Hardware + Internet + XIV sub. Nothing more, as that's how the current model is for MAC, PC, PS3, and PS4.

I don't care what "today's console model is for MP" when XIV doesn't require a current console manufacturer's paid subscription to play the game. MS needs to change, not SE.

[era1Ne]

Your point is moot outside the realm of XIV.

SE should never bend to the will of MS for the sake of its existing model. Hardware + Internet + XIV sub. Nothing more, as that's how the current model is for MAC, PC, PS3, and PS4.

I don't care what "today's console model is for MP" when XIV doesn't require a current console manufacturer's paid subscription to play the game. MS needs to change, not SE.

I never said Square Enix should and as i said some time ago, Microsoft is to blame here imo. I just explained how the business works at the moment and why for example consoles aren't like PC today. Yes, the hardware is technically closer than ever and the consoles owner more open then ever (some more than others), but we are still not there yet in terms of the business side of things. Every plattform holder has still a lot of rules publishers have to agree to or they can port their game to the trashcan, because they wouldn't be allowed to sell it as an console game.