Why no Xbox?

[era1Ne]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The linkage is simply for license checking and posting in the PSN ID on your search information it has no impact on whether any other game system can be involved with FFXIV, where do you even come up with that idea from?

Not this again. Of course there is no real technical reason, but still the policies order the publishers to ask wether they are allowed to do crossplay or not. In some cases they are and in some like the chess game i posted earlier they aren't, because if you look at their site today, then you would see no cross play for ps4 is allowed at the moment.
Edit: A few examples for cross play
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2017/02/...ntendo-switch/
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/07/2...play-for-gwent
https://twitter.com/mykeryu/status/761704021312712705

PS Plus is needed for online play unless a developer does as SE has and provides all the servers and service themselves.

Some developers use their own server to run their games and still have to go over PS+. because this is about policies from Sony and nothing else. F2P and monthly sub based MMO are free. Simple as that. Which is great by the way, because microsoft for example isn't consumer friendly in this case and requires gold no matter what.

Edit:

That is not a technical issue, it’s a business issue. We’re on different platforms and each partner has its own ideas on which groups they want their players to be with.

From this interview with EOS developer http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-on...or-matt-firor/

[Kosmos992k]

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This is the last time I will respond to your nonsense. PSN is the only thing needed for playing FFXIV on PS4, PLPLUS is not involved at all. PSN is 100% free, and is only used to authenticate you, your PS4 and your license. Once you login to FFXIV Sonys network could go down completely and you get to continue playing because PSN isn't involved in playing FFXIV.

This is one of the models of online gaming that Sony supports. There are others, it depends on what the game developer and publisher want to do.

I'm still not sure what point you are really arguing, it seems each time that you narrow your point further, either way, you clearly will not listen to reason. Long story short, Sony supports cross platform play both with and without PS PLUS, Microsoft only supports restricted cross play within XBL Gold membership. What more need be said?

[era1Ne]

This is the last time I will respond to your nonsense. PSN is the only thing needed for playing FFXIV on PS4, PLPLUS is not involved at all. PSN is 100% free, and is only used to authenticate you, your PS4 and your license. Once you login to FFXIV Sonys network could go down completely and you get to continue playing because PSN isn't involved in playing FFXIV.

I already knew that. The issue are some of your reasons why it works for FF14 and you dont get sometimes from which perspective i am talking, which a post earlier from you clearly showed me. I talked about developers and you came with sth along the lines "i can use the ps4 broswer" (aka consumer perspective)

For example you said ps4 is an computer. No, it is not, because the ps4 is still a close system and publishers have to work with the plattform holder - in this case sony - together to get patches, games on the plattform or their own store (EA tried and failed, because sony denied them to get ea access on ps4) and ask Sony, if they can do cross play the way they want. You don't need to do any of this on computer. They can release as an example patches, when and how they want. Nobody tells them anything. there are no rules, except if they use another companys store for example. Then you came with, the ps4 can access the internet. Of course it can. Then with, we as consumers can use the browser. Of course we can, but the browser is from Sony and we are not allowed to do some things with it. We can't download wallpapers for example like we are used to on PC. Why? Because the ps4 is not an open system like your post suggest. Now on the topic of cross play....

I'm still not sure what point you are really arguing, it seems each time that you narrow your point further, either way, you clearly will not listen to reason. Long story short, Sony supports cross platform play both with and without PS PLUS,

Sony supports cross plattform play on a case to case basis. Some games have cross play and others aren't even if the developer came out and asked sony. Thats what you don't want to get for some reason. Instead you go on with your assumption about PSN and XBL without giving a source. Even when every, literaly every link i posted should tell you that, they have to reach out and get an agreement. They can't do what they want, because the ps4 is not an open system. And yes, even if the publisher has their own account system and servers. In the end the ps4 or xbox are still not their systems and they have to play by the rules the plattform owners has writen down on paper.

Microsoft only supports restricted cross play within XBL Gold membership. What more need be said?

So this is what all of this mistundestand comes to? You think, because you need an Gold membership every cross playable games has to be on microsoft servers? No, you are wrong if you really think this. Third party today use own servers on ps4 and xbox one alike and still are forced to implement in their games the respective sub model, because Sony and Microsoft want you to pay for mp this generation. No matter what. Simply an business decision. The only exception are sub based MMO and F2P on ps4. You said the ps+ cost would come down to the game using PSN or use their own server (and service) ike FF14 is. Again, no it comes down to FF14 beeing an monthly sub mmo game. Nothing else. You don't need to know anything about the console business as you seem to be (no offense), the examples are out there.

[SecretCrowds]

I think their short sightedness in requiring PSN and SE accounts to be linked is also an issue with adding additional service options (xbox, nintendo).

Also PSN is required for basically everything on PS4, I'm not sure why that is even brought up. In order to play Nier and Horizon I just got a little bit ago I had to renew my membership to update my PS4...so I dunno it seems dumb to bring it up since you have to pay for it to use the PS4 to begin with.

I don't think you even know what you are paying for.

I highly suggest you search on the difference between PSN, PSN ID and PSN Plus.

[Jetstream_Fox]

I wouldn't even be against a private server at this point. Honestly the Xbox server would likely be very small, hypothetically speaking that is, given the game would be released in 4.0 if they did bring it over. But being on a private server would have some benefits, wouldn't have a need for 3rd party chat support, the servers would likely be very community driven, since they wouldn't be able to just jump off to a new server.

Also if we consider them jumping right into a current server chances are Xbox players would likely find a dead server anyway and create a unofficial Xbox server, similar to how Gig is the unofficial raid server, Bal is the unofficial RP server, Fairy tmk is the unofficial lgbt server, and Siren iifc is the reddit server.

[Riardon]

I wouldn't even be against a private server at this point. Honestly the Xbox server would likely be very small, hypothetically speaking that is, given the game would be released in 4.0 if they did bring it over. But being on a private server would have some benefits, wouldn't have a need for 3rd party chat support, the servers would likely be very community driven, since they wouldn't be able to just jump off to a new server.

You shall burn for your sins.

[Paladinleeds]

I wouldn't even be against a private server at this point. Honestly the Xbox server would likely be very small, hypothetically speaking that is, given the game would be released in 4.0 if they did bring it over. But being on a private server would have some benefits, wouldn't have a need for 3rd party chat support, the servers would likely be very community driven, since they wouldn't be able to just jump off to a new server.

Xbox servers... community driven? If I'd had pop in my mouth at the moment I read that my PC would have got a mouthful of cream soda over it. The Xbox community is anything but community-driven. Since Beam got direct streaming off Xbox One and access to Beam from the Xbox One, the site has turned 100x more toxic. Trust me, they're not community driven.

[Fyrebrand]

In addition to the reasons already given, isn't it also true that Xbox has virtually no traction in Japan?

[RubyCirha]

Well to be honest anything short of the Scorpio I wouldn't want ff14 on it it would be another ps3 holding us back situation cas sorry to say wile the xbox one is a nice system it's not quite on ps4 lvl till Scorpio launches heck the switch plays games better than the xbox one atleast it plays in 1080p when docked insted of 920p like the xbox one

[Jetstream_Fox]

Xbox servers ... community driven? If I had been in my mouth at the moment I would have had a mouthful of cream soda over it. The Xbox community is anything but community-driven. Since Beam got streaming off Xbox One and access to Beam from the Xbox One, the site has turned 100x more toxic. Trust me, they're not community driven.

So you're using a service that allows anyone to interact with it, as a judgemental factor in determining that the Xbox doesn't have a good community? I find hilarity in that, I really do, it's almost as if you're saying psn/pc doesn't have trolls? Remember when psn rolled out communities for games and you could only find ones that advertised selling gta modded accounts and camwhores selling their services? Or remember in TF2 payers would spray swatisgas and massive ballsacks everywhere? Cause I sure do.

I can give you a news flash when XBL first came out, one of the original games for it, which also happened to be the first game I played on Xbox was Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 and 2, the community for that game worked tirelessly to keep that game alive, even went as far as find ways though modding to bring over all the GameCube and Dreamcast items Sega refused to patch in to the game. That game lasted 7 years thanks to people who kept trying to mod new items into the game alone after Sega left it to die.

Saywhatnow? That makes very little sense. Adding Xbox players to the game and segregating them on private servers would add literally nothing to the game. I can't see why or how you think Xbox players would voluntarily segregate themselves either, the point of adding Xbox would be to allow Xbox gamers to play FFXIV with their friends whatever client their friends use. Private servers negate that.

Your comment about finding dead servers makes me laugh as well, the point of adding more users to an online game is to add life, your comments suggest to me that you'd rather we all segregate into niche servers which then fade and die.

I didn't say they would segregate, I said I wouldn't care if they played on their own. Recall when ARR released, SE released new servers to go with the PS4 release, Jenova, my server, was one of them, and at the time of release Jenova had a very large amount of PS4 players and it does some what maintain that. If hypothetically speaking 14 released on Xbox for 4.0, the NA servers that already can't support new players are:

Balmung
Behemoth
Diabolos
Excalibur
Exodus
Gilgamesh
Hyperion
Lamia
Leviathan
Malboro

That leaves all mid to low populated servers open, the logical thing for SE to do in this situation, would be to send Xbox players directly to a low server, Zalera and Mateus ring a bell immediately. That way these servers would be on par with the mid servers, thus becoming the unofficial Xbox servers. We already have niche servers anyway, again look no further than Balmung and Gilgamesh, two of the biggest servers, one populated vastly by people who RP and the other populated by people who think they will become a raider simply by being there.

As far as Xbox players not adding anything to the game, other than this being purely my opinion, outside of a population bump, they would be starting out in 4.0, again hypothetically speaking, meaning in order for those players to fully be able to catch up to 4.0, they'd need jump potions and this is going off into a different topic, or SE would need to somehow create a Xbox exclusive where 4.0 is the Xbox base game. Either way unless they're granted immediate access to 4.0 or able to skip the entire game we've all played, Xbox players would seemingly be so far behind in content, it wouldn't really seem like they're here.