Put back Extreme trial on raid finder again...please

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"Newbies shouldn't have fun at the cost of other people's fun." Thus, we can conclude that newbies are having fun queuing in duty finder. Whereas you have fun farming. So farmers should have fun at the cost of other people's (newbies) fun. Yes, I think we can in fact call this hypocritical!

Nope - as a farmer I'm not having fun at the cost of other peoples fun just because I dont want to help them right now.
Newbies can still have fun and queue for their stuff - if there are enough people who share their version of fun (as in: learning the fight), good for them! If there are not - to bad.
Same applies to people who want to farm the content - if they queue up and enough people have the same goal, good for them! If there arent enough people - to bad.

But if you put a newbie and a farmer into a party, the newbie will get what they want out of this: Practise the fight, maybe even see later phases because they're now having an experienced person at their side (even if they wont explain, thats a huge benefit since that person knows what they're doing and wont wipe them). The farmer, however will not get what they want: If they get a kill at all, it will take much longer than it should.
So yes, the newbie had their fun there. The farmer didnt.

You are, again, focussed on the experience of the newbie who seem to need the help of the farmer so bad that it will ruin their experience if they dont get it.
My absence of a fight doesnt ruin the experience of a new person - their presence in a farm-group does ruin the experience for the people who want to farm.
If you want to conclude that someone who doesnt want to queue up for "learning" is ruining the fun for people who want to learn the fight, anyone who doesnt queue up for the EX-primals right now is runing the fun of those who do.

So... I hope you are in queue for every content in the game right now because if you're not you're ruining the fun of everyone who tries to get into Sastasha NM, Titan HM, Zurvan EX and Frontlines.

I am not surprised. This community always wanting put walls.

I have a better idea. Let's not let any new player even start the game. You know ,those scrubs don't deserve play. Only for veterans. And no one more.

/sarcasm.

No one here is saying that new people shouldnt play the game or shouldnt learn those fights *sigh*
We're simply saying that those who have learend the fights should be able to follow their own goals aswell by using the DF.
I shouldnt have to put new peoples intrests infront of my own all the time - which is excatly what the DF is asking of me right now, because I cant queue with people who share my goal of clearing/farming the fight anymore.

PF allows you to set up both learning and farming parties - why should DF not allow you to do the same? Because its unfair to new people not being paired up with those who dont even want to be there to teach and help anymore?