Stormblood Site Updated

[Unholychinchilla]

As has been said not all in Mhach and Amdapor were in favour of the war and massive disasters have a tendency to give people a new perspective. Coupled with the witch hunts it's not surprising that White Mages and Black Mages banded together and chose to craft a new form of magic, drawing upon their combined knowledge, that perhaps was not so dangerous (it'd be a bit stupid to continue the exact practices that caused the whole mess in the first place).

Also doubt there's a whole bunch of Red Mages out there as opposed to a few scholars keeping the tradition alive. It could even be like sch and smn where you are researching into a lost art. Nothing about the description confirmed they are active today just during the 6th Umbral era at least.

As for Sharlayan they've not been shown to have access to white and black magic (and I doubt they'd want to touch the latter with a 10 foot pole) so them creating a discipline based on the two seems a bit of a stretch.

[jameseoakes]

Well "in a certain point of view" their actions can be quite similar especially when looking as AST Job Storyline shows us with how they would gladly murder anyone who tries to give knowledge of their arts to outsiders.

Not to mention that the government has been stated to be more corrupted and their "Isolation" now is more to thinking anyone not from Sharlayan are "Savages".

Though I am curious now how Sharlayan are handling their magic more internally than externally. From what we learn from NPCs so far, mostly from AST Job Storyline, there may be some internal abuses going around with the higher ups for power plays and we may learn more in future AST Job storyline with far more once we can finally enter Sharlayan.

Well "in a certain point of view" their actions can be quite similar especially when looking as AST Job Storyline shows us with how they would gladly murder anyone who tries to give knowledge of their arts to outsiders.

Not to mention that the government has been stated to be more corrupted and their "Isolation" now is more to thinking anyone not from Sharlayan are "Savages".

Though I am curious now how Sharlayan are handling their magic more internally than externally. From what we learn from NPCs so far, mostly from AST Job Storyline, there may be some internal abuses going around with the higher ups for power plays and we may learn more in future AST Job storyline with far more once we can finally enter Sharlayan.

Sharlayan does seem to be in a strange place, it's suppose to have a strong disdain for war (which informs it's view that the other Eoarzan states being savages. It is suppose to have shaired it's advances in the past (atherite travel was rediscovered by Sharlayan and shared with the other city states) they do seem to be becoming more isolationist and corrupt which could make for some interesting developments.

[jameseoakes]

Rereading the job description it might be that the black and white mages in are much closer to the more restricted forms used in thermatolgy and conjurey rather than the true black and white magics used by Mhach and Amadpour. If not I don't see how any group with access to the full horrors of both Mhach and Adampour would have craved out a new empire....

[Vexander]

To be fair, I don't think there was ever any doubt that survivors of Amdapor and Mhach would've been responsible for Red Magic and the Red Mage job.

But you have to admit the old theory that floated around for a while had merit. Dissidents/Survivors of the War of the Magi left Eorzea to escape the Witch Hunts and founded Sharlayan, pooling their arts to create Red Magic, and training Red Mages to protect their new haven. Having learned from the past, they dedicated the pursuits of their nation to learning and chronicling history.

What we have now follows the start of that theory, but instead of doing the logical thing and fleeing the witch hunts, as well as learning from history, it seems some remnants of Mhach and Amdapor just decided to tough it out instead, and go down the same path.

[DreamAngel-Ren]

Then take a good look at the Stormblood poster

Second row from top, right side. That just screams "villain" to me.

And the girl above her next to Lyse ? I think that's the real Yda.

Lady with the pipe? She could be a nice lady for all we know :3

Lately, some are speculating that the viceroy (dude at the very left with the heavy armor screaming "EVIL!") is either the real Yda (which I don't see how that could be possible) or Lyse and Yda's father due to the long blonde hair. I'm leaning more towards maaaybe the viceroy is the girls' father. Hell, idk! lol

[CosmicKirby]

Looking at Red Mage lore there is no "Witch hunt" that happened after the Great Flood but that Mhach and Amdapor survivors swore to cast aside their old Black Mage and White Mage ways to create a new Mage Organization that works together using both Black and White Magic to benefit the world. However, as the Mhach and Amdapor lore states survivors were very few so I can guess the knowledge of Red Magic did not go very far with so little amount of survivors and the Red Mage Order's history with Mhach and Amdapor along with how White Magic became restricted to the Padjal and Black magic is now forbidden arts to the entire World to prevent another Great Flood from happening again.
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From just the website blurb you're entirely correct, however I believe the poster was referring to...

The Age of Restoration Years 1-4000 (Sixth Astral Era) [immediately after the Calamity of Water]
Scars left by the Sixth Umbral Era ran deep, instilling much despair into the hearts of the realm's few survivors. Fearing that its continued use might further their woes, the art of magic was widely forbidden. Libraries housing ancient tomes were put to flame, while those who practiced--or were rumored to practice-- the art of spellcraft were hunted down and tried as criminals. Many a learned man met the same demise, as the masses had become so incensed they could no longer distinguish the difference between science and sorcery.

Granted, I can foresee Square subverting this, by having the art of being a Red Mage masked as fencing, buuuut, the quoted person has a point. It's PARTICULARLY odd that the survivors of the two mage cities responsible would just immediately form a new magical order. At least without a proper explanation.

Edit: Someone else having posted the same blurb from another source, I imagine Square wouldn't mean to just ignore it, hopefully it's explained in the Job Quests.

[jameseoakes]

Lady with the pipe? She could be a nice lady for all we know :3

Lately, some are speculating that the viceroy (dude at the very left with the heavy armor screaming "EVIL!") is either the real Yda (which I don't see how that could be possible) or Lyse and Yda's father due to the long blonde hair. Hell, idk! lol SB just needs to hurry up and get here.

Isn't he suppose to be the Emperors son though?

[DreamAngel-Ren]

Isn't he suppose to be the Emperors son though?

That's what I was thinking! But apparently, they be like nooo, his hair is blonde so he/she is somehow related to Lyse and I'm like "What?" XDD

[jameseoakes]

That's what I was thinking! But apparently, they be like nooo, his hair is blonde so he/she is somehow related to Lyse and I'm like "What?" XDD

well I guess he might be old enough to be there father....

[EdwinLi]

If one of the things I learned from anime it is that the Pipe Lady is most likely a ally NPC who serves as the "Black Market/Information seller" NPC in the storyline that may provide us some illegal assets and particular "Rumors" that goes around Othard for the right price.

To be fair, I don't think there was ever any doubt that survivors of Amdapor and Mhach would've been responsible for Red Magic and the Red Mage job.

But you have to admit the old theory that floated around for a while had merit. Dissidents/Survivors of the War of the Magi left Eorzea to escape the Witch Hunts and founded Sharlayan, pooling their arts to create Red Magic, and training Red Mages to protect their new haven. Having learned from the past, they dedicated the pursuits of their nation to learning and chronicling history.

What we have now follows the start of that theory, but instead of doing the logical thing and fleeing the witch hunts, as well as learning from history, it seems some remnants of Mhach and Amdapor just decided to tough it out instead, and go down the same path.

Well they can still pull Sharlayan being established by Amdapor and Mhach survivors and have some Red Mage knowledge for later Red mage Job skills and storyline but just not the lore being the founder of Red Mage.

It mentioned Red Mage was established right after the Great Flood but when Sharlayan is establish still remains unknown.

Due to how scattered the small amount of survivors were there is also the possibility there was a separate group of survivors that established Sharlayan and maybe establish communication with the Red Mage order sometime after thus having some Red Mage in Sharlayan with a few new Skills we may obtain in future expansions once we go to Sharlayan and would explain the possibility of Red Mage having their armor theme design to be like Sharlayans.

Though in the end it is how Red Mages are treated that would be in question in the Job Storyline rather than origins.