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[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Don't seem like a particularly magic focused culture? Have you -been- inside the Great Gubal Library? Or the Anti-Tower? Minfilia herself stated that the only reason the Garleans never invaded Old Sharlayan is because they fear the Sharlayan's magical might. In the Warring Triad series, Urianger sets up a barrier that would take any mage over 20 hours to unmake, with its only weakness being those with the Echo.

Sharlayan likely could've existed alongside the likes of Amdapor and Mhach and held its own. Its -the- magical nation of the modern age (as far as we're aware).

I should've clarified better. Sharlayans use magic; seems like all cultures except the Garleans use it (because they can't), and the Sharlayans have developed powerful schools of magic of their own. But they are not definied by being a magical powerhouse much like Amdapor and Mhach were. Until the actual fighting broke out, the "war" was a cold one; an arms race to deter the other, and other countries from trying anything. Sharlayan - as a modern magical nation - opted instead to go the scholarly route so as not to repeat the mistakes of Amdapor (screwing with the natural balance) and Mhach (messing with the Void).

Oh, and for the person who asked why White Mages would work with Mhachi survivors: Leave it to a Calamity-level disaster to make people set aside their differences, especially where survival is concerned.

[EdwinLi]

Seems a little strange that those people would rush to repeat the mistakes there forebears made. I will be interested to see how they try and pull these strands together. Seems a little strange there is a going to be a random tribe of over powered mages just hanging around in the mountains.

They are not repeating the mistake of their forebears because the mistake their forebears made was abusing their Magic to the point they thought they could play God thus unleashing a Calamity so great it literally ripped a hole into the void unleashing countless Voidsent into the world and those Voidsent causing the Great Flood.

the Red Mage order chosen not to make that mistake again and follow a philosophy to use their new Red Magic to benefit the people of the world instead of abusing it as their forebears did.

Funny thing is that it is Sharlayan repeating the mistake of Mhach and Amdapor by keeping the Magic they create for themselves and having the same corrupt government system with the same corrupt government officials abusing their Magic.

[jameseoakes]

They are not repeating the mistake of their forebears because the mistake their forebears made was abusing their Magic to the point they thought they could play God thus unleashing a Calamity so great it literally ripped a hole into the void unleashing countless Voidsent into the world and those Voidsent causing the Great Flood.

the Red Mage order chosen not to make that mistake again and follow a philosophy to use their new Red Magic to benefit the people of the world instead of abusing it as their forebears did.

Seems strange that give the almost complete ban on actual White and Black magic we have at moment the group to practise a combination of both isn't one of the most dominate powers in Eorzea.

Just seems a lazy and flawed way to do the lore to me given the issues it seems to throw up, but then I tend to prefer the lore of the resurrected jobs over the ones that are active.

[SenorPatty]

Btw, as there been any info on Stormblood's theme song? I was thinking it being sung in an eastern language (does not have to be japanese) would be nice

[EdwinLi]

Seems strange that give the almost complete ban on actual White and Black magic we have at moment the group to practise a combination of both isn't one of the most dominate powers in Eorzea.

Well the ban of White Magic and Black magic was not ther Red Mage order action but the Nation's of Eorzea made that choice themselves after seeing what the Amdapor and Mhach civilization did.

I don't think they even know there are other survivors of Mhach and Amdapor considering the lore so far always seem to imply that all Black Mages of Mhach were assumed wiped out and only a small group of the Padjal were survivors of Amdapor.

[jameseoakes]

Well the ban of White Magic and Black magic was not ther Red Mage order action but the Nation's of Eorzea made that choice themselves after seeing what the Amdapor and Mhach civilization did.

I don't think they even know there are other survivors of Mhach and Amdapor considering the lore so far always seem to imply that all Black Mages of Mhach were assumed wiped out and only a small group of the Padjal were survivors of Amdapor.

The Padjal aren't survivors of Amdapor, the first one was born when the Gelmorians negotiated permission to settle in the Black Shroud, and I think the lore is that the Elementals thought White magic to the Padjals again.

[Enkidoh]

The Padjal aren't survivors of Amdapor, the first one was born when the Gelmorians negotiated permission to settle in the Black Shroud, and I think the lore is that the Elementals thought White magic to the Padjals again.

^This, also Edwin, the Great Flood was not caused by Voidsent summoned by the Mhach, it was actually caused by the elementals in retaliation for the rampant abuse of magic (read: aetheric manipulation) that the War unleashed on the world - Void Ark was constructed after the Flood in order for the Mhach to escape from it (although they'd been preparing for it before hand after having premonitions of the flood).

Either way, it was the elementals that caused the Flood as retribution on Nym, Amdapor and especially Mhach for the War of the Magi, and indirectly it seems that also is the cause of why the elementals are now so surly towards Spoken, forcing the Gelmorrans to live underground for centuries and driving the Ixal out of the forest, as immortal creatures of aether it's not exactly something they would easily forget or forgive in a hurry.

[Felis]

Looking at Red Mage lore there is no "Witch hunt" that happened after the Great Flood but that Mhach and Amdapor survivors swore to cast aside their old Black Mage and White Mage ways to create a new Mage Organization that works together using both Black and White Magic to benefit the world.

I also think that not many of Mhach and Amdapor people survived. And they joined together because they had the whole world as an enemy.

Funny thing is that it is Sharlayan repeating the mistake of Mhach and Amdapor by keeping the Magic they create for themselves and having the same corrupt government system with the same corrupt government officials abusing their Magic.

not sharing magic =/= abusing magic
don't been active in the world politic =/= going to war

They want to be watchers of the history, but not actors

[jameseoakes]

I also think that not many of Mhach and Amdapor people survived. And they joined together because they had the whole world as an enemy.

Reading the lore book, it implies that Amdapor and Nym managed to get most of the populations to higher ground while there militaries tried to hold magically hold back the fold water but there cities where completely devastated.

Mhach on the other hand tried to use the void ark plan which was a complete disaster and there may have been very few people to survive the actual city state of Mhach.

[EdwinLi]

not sharing magic =/= abusing magic
don't been active in the world politic =/= going to war

They want to be watchers of the history, but not actors

Well "in a certain point of view" their actions can be quite similar especially when looking as AST Job Storyline shows us with how they would gladly murder anyone who tries to give knowledge of their arts to outsiders.

Not to mention that the government has been stated to be more corrupted and their "Isolation" now is more to thinking anyone not from Sharlayan are "Savages".

Though I am curious now how Sharlayan are handling their magic more internally than externally. From what we learn from NPCs so far, mostly from AST Job Storyline, there may be some internal abuses going around with the higher ups for power plays and we may learn more in future AST Job storyline with far more once we can finally enter Sharlayan.