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[BigRed5392]

The truth is none of this has anything to do with the topic.

You can easily convey your disagreement with OP's post without resorting to putting down certain nationality groups no matter how "true" you think it is.

Not to mention that unless you do a research study between the different nationality servers to get factual statistics then your "truth" holds as much water as a glass with a huge hole in it.

it is pretty true, I wish i stayed on tonberry with my G/F she had more fun in the game. NA servers are rude and disorganized, people berate others, and assume the worst. JP try to communicate fix issues, and just try to have fun. No parser shi, no rude comments, no "i don't like you so /kick" they typically do a 3 wipe rule then vote abandon.. no blame game or anything. Do they have trolls? ya.. but it very rare to find one.

[Vaer]

all that is true actually. jp have a thread someplace, it is a "problematic player" thread. Like people who record with out permission, people who go too far against the group.

JP try to solve problems, not berate people. Something NA players should start doing. :/ it is a basic thing that takes lil to no time.

TBH having a witch hunt thread and making fun of them behind closed doors doesn't seem to be any better unless you mean something else but that seems to be what it is? Actually seems worse to me. Even going as far as telling other people to BL them so they can't get anything done. Hooo boy. It's like faking nice during the group but in reality they gossip about them later when they aren't there. Not that no one else does that but still.

[Aeeninwen_Taldel]

I can't say I agree. I've had many match parties where people have logged off. Without the vote kick, we'd have been stuck either doing it with 2 or 3 people, or leaving and having to wait 30 minutes.

[Miste]

Technically it does, as we're discussing behaviour in-game and someone brought up a comparison between the two regarding the need for such an option as specified by OP.

Someone brought it up, but it wasn't necessary.

Behavior in-game is behavior in-game. It doesn't matter what server, nationality, or region the players are in or from because all people all over the world have the capacity to behave in all ways imaginable.

I didn't "put down any nationality" either, I pointed out that player behaviour is, on average, better on one set of datacentres than another, as anyone who has experienced both sides of the coin will tell you. I couldn't care less if you choose not to believe it, that's your prerogative.

Nationality maybe wasn't the best word I admit, so instead of that then "regions" (I was just trying not to use specific region names like NA/EU/JP or anything because no matter which way you claimed your biased statement I would have called you out on it; which I explain at the * statement)

You did. You attribute certain negative aspects to certain regions based on your own personal experiences; problem is one person's experiences don't reveal the whole picture. Even a handful of people's experiences don't reveal the whole picture. You would need a way more comprehensive analysis with a way bigger sample size to see even half the picture.

Of course I am not going to believe you. Who would? You have no factual evidence to back up your so called "truth" except your own subjective opinions.

* Just like I wouldn't believe anyone who claimed that the region I play on was better than the others. No proof either way. So it is pointless and just comes off rude that you would label certain regions as lesser than others due to arbitrary personal experiences.

So if you are going to say something like this:

It's the truth, no matter how much you may not like to hear it; in terms of behaviour, attitude, and overall ability, JP is better than EU/ NA.

You wrote this as a claim of fact. You didn't say "I believe" or "In my opinion"

I am going to wait for you to present your evidence proving what you claim here. It isn't about just "not believing you" if you are going to say something like this then don't be surprised if someone challenges you for factual proof.

it is pretty true

Prove it with factual statistics outside of your own personal experiences. I wouldn't see how you could though since you don't work at SE and only they have full access to everything that goes on in their servers.

[molzilla]

This is like, what, the 5th or 6th thread on this in the last week?

The same things are being said in all the threads. Could the vote kick function be a little more clear cut in terms of its usage and purpose? Yes. Will it happen though? Probably not, especially considering this problem ssems to lie primarily with Western servers and not JP ones.

There will always be people that abuse the system at the end of the day. It sucks that there's a crappy side to the player base but it exists in all games. Just be glad you don't have to eat a penalty and move on.

[Lunaxia]

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Again, I honestly do not care whether or not you or anyone else believes me, nor am I in any mood to argue over petty semantics with another NA player whose pride got hurt because I said JP players have better manners and an overall higher skill level. I know it's the truth, anyone who has ventured into a JP datacentre know it's the truth, but if there are players who want to pretend otherwise, far be it from me to deny them.

[Miste]

Again, I honestly do not care whether or not you believe me, nor am I in any mood to argue over petty semantics with another NA player whose pride got hurt because I said JP players have better manners and an overall higher skill level. I know it's the truth, anyone who has ventured into a JP datacentre know it's the truth, but if there are players who want to pretend otherwise, far be it from me to deny them.

It's not semantics. I am calling on you to prove this "truth" you keep claiming as fact.

So since you obviously cannot prove it, I guess you can stop making subjective false claims now?

Also, what pride? I told you already if your claim had been the opposite and you said NA/EU was better than JP I would have STILL called you out on it for making baseless claims.

What region I am part of makes no difference to my objection of your so called "truth"; so no you didn't "hurt my pride" lol you are giving yourself WAY too much credit here.

[molzilla]

Snip.

Not trying to start arguments here, but isn't it just generally acknowledged that JP overall has a politer player base compared to NA/EU mainly due to cultural differences? Vaguely remember there being a thread related to this a week or two ago.

[Lunaxia]

It's not semantics. I am calling on you to prove this "truth" you keep claiming as fact.

Your previous posts were very much semantics, and you are aware demanding statistics from me doesn't make me any less right either?

So since you obviously cannot prove it, I guess you can stop making subjective false claims now?

By the same token, should you not be providing proof that my claims are false before making such a statement? Statistics? Research?

so no you didn't "hurt my pride" lol you are giving yourself WAY too much credit here

This might have more credit had you not been hounding my previous posts in a dogged attempt to prove yourself right when I've already expressed I do not care.

[SenorPatty]

If you always look at the surface of things, you will not see what's underneath. This holds true for any region and it since this is an mmorpg, a cultural difference will either fit you conveniently or not, all of this at surface level.