As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Taika]

well is this a joke? Because isnt it obvious if people need healing you cant dps at the same time? Or can you do both at once and then Im missing some special skill that allows you to heal and dps at the same moment of time.

All regens (including Asylum) tick while you're DPSing.
Fairy heals (including Whispering Dawn) can be used while you're DPSing.
Assize heals and does DPS simultaneously.
And the other way around: your DoTs keep ticking while you're healing.

Furthermore, all healers have instant cast heals that can be swiftly used between DPS spells - and Benediction even while in Cleric Stance.

[Llus]

I dont learn by watching videos ... Get some experience of this content now please before you come here telling people how to play.

Ahhh, that explains it then. You're one of those "this is a game not homework" people. Guess what, even world first raiders study videos. I watch videos of the fights, I record my fights and review to see where I failed, where I need to improve and see how the team performed. So tell me; what's different about this raid tier than any other raid tier? Did they introduce unpredictable tankbusters? Unpredictable AoEs? Just wondering if they threw scripted encounters out the window or something; because as far as I know, scripted is scripted and planning ahead for what you're going to do is essential in high level content. If you can't even be bothered to prepare, to come in with a battle plan; how can you expect people to sympathize with you?

[xJimmehx]

Its optional. Naoki Yoshida said so at pax. If you don't like it then don't play with people of different opinions, but don't pretend its mandatory when it isn't. Yoshida stated that healing is your job specifically. He also said that you could dps if you felt comfortable with it.

I dont even understand how this thread managed to stay open for this long.

Edit: Kicking people for varying play styles is allowed and that includes: "For wanting the healer to dps" as well as "Not wanting to dps as a healer."
If you hate either side to the point that you are going to lose sleep tonight, maybe you should find some like-minded friends and make a static based on your own beliefs. Arguing this after 89 pages is probably going to lead to nothing but more disagreements.

[Misutoraru]

I dont even understand how this thread managed to stay open for this long.

because there are always some people try to force this mentality into every situation including Duty Finder
and there will always be this type of thread

I always found solution simple, start own party in party finder, then people can set their own rules
in Duty Finder it should just make sure the dungeon can be finish, running with 3/7 total random strangers, I always keep my expectation low

[Neela]

Ahhh, that explains it then. You're one of those "this is a game not homework" people. Guess what, even world first raiders study videos. I watch videos of the fights, I record my fights and review to see where I failed, where I need to improve and see how the team performed. (...) If you can't even be bothered to prepare, to come in with a battle plan; how can you expect people to sympathize with you? (well people like me will sympathize with her... and I don't know her ingame or rl-wise, but i share some points with her - not all but most of them)

and whats wrong with that?...

this is the difference between raider/pro-gamer and casual gamer. For one side (world firsts / hardcore raider) it's more like a sporty competition (BiS, statweights, perfect rota-management, analyses, even the grey-zoned parsers bs...etc.) for casuals it's just a game to relaxe, explore and having fun. for me (although im a raider myself) im not looking any videos after a patch release - I want to explore things by myself in the first way. after all it's the reason why i love rpgs at all. -> if it comes to static clears or even farm, well than I might watch vids for improvement but else - its just a well designed rpg not an e-sports league thingy for me.

[Feyona]

All regens (including Asylum) tick while you're DPSing.
Fairy heals (including Whispering Dawn) can be used while you're DPSing.
Assize heals and does DPS simultaneously.
And the other way around: your DoTs keep ticking while you're healing.

Furthermore, all healers have instant cast heals that can be swiftly used between DPS spells - and Benediction even while in Cleric Stance.

Yes and I have infinite space and mana inbetween rezes right? And theres so little mechanics there that I can do the manderville as well

[Llus]

and whats wrong with that?...

this is the difference between raider/pro-gamer and casual gamer. For one side (world firsts / hardcore raider) it's more like a sporty competition (BiS, statweights, perfect rota-management, analyses, even the grey-zoned parsers bs...etc.) for casuals it's just a game to relaxe, explore and having fun. for me (although im a raider myself) im not looking any videos after a patch release - I want to explore things by myself in the first way. after all it's the reason why i love rpgs at all. -> if it comes to static clears or even farm, well than I might watch vids for improvement but else - its just a well designed rpg not an e-sports league thingy for me.

What's wrong with that is that you're coming in unprepared and wasting everyone's time. If it's a 4-man dungeon, or a regular primal or casual focused raid (Alex normal and 24-man raids), go for it - most of that content is so easy you have to be completely incompetent to fail more than a couple of times. When it's an extreme primal or savage raid you absolutely must know what's going on, you need to know what mechanics will happen and when. If you're walking into savage content w/o having a clue and you're not in a world-first raid group or static that does blind runs for the fun of it, then you're going to be bringing down the group and that's pretty selfish.

[Feyona]

Ahhh, that explains it then. You're one of those "this is a game not homework" people. Guess what, even world first raiders study videos. I watch videos of the fights, I record my fights and review to see where I failed, where I need to improve and see how the team performed.

No its scripted but I can watch a fight over and over on video but cant learn it that way and besides the groups I go into a new fight with its usually a wipe fest. I have to do it to learn and do so by actually doing it. People are different and people learn different ways ,but most of the people I know learn the same way as me. Otherwise we could all just go in a11s and one shot it. I may add there though healing is always situational, people making mistkes cannot be scripted.This is the entire proble with cleric , people messing up cannot be predicted and that is why its high risk play and why it can be stressful and also can be viewed as bullying if your harrassed to do it.

[Neela]

What's wrong with that is that you're coming in unprepared and wasting everyone's time. If it's a 4-man dungeon, or a regular primal or casual focused raid (Alex normal and 24-man raids), go for it - most of that content is so easy you have to be completely incompetent to fail more than a couple of times. When it's an extreme primal or savage raid you absolutely must know what's going on, you need to know what mechanics will happen and when. If you're walking into savage content w/o having a clue and you're not in a world-first raid group or static that does blind runs for the fun of it, then you're going to be bringing down the group and that's pretty selfish.

so its selfish to explore the first try on your own but its not selfish to demand that FTs shall skip that experience? even on primals, new 24 man raids or savage: if i go in there the first time it will be blind to discover the art-work and mechanic myself and I won't give a fuck about someones time and/or behavior at this case. ill try to give my best to let noone down but after all its a game I play to satisfy myself in the first place than on 2nd is my static & fc and thaaaaan waaaay behind its the random community - sounds selfish but thats the way it is. like I said clear and farm is another story.

if people, and based on your arguments there seems to be that kind of people, wait for vids before they enter any kind of new content... im really sorry for those people... looking vids of content ill never saw myself ingame before would ruin everything for me instantly... if you are used to play like this just to avoid yourself failing at any point to push your ego... we should stop talking right here : /

[Llus]

so its selfish to explore the first try on your own but its not selfish to demand that FTs shall skip that experience? even on primals, new 24 man raids or savage: if i go in there the first time it will be blind to discover the art-work and mechanic myself and I won't give a fuck about someones time and/or behavior at this case. after all its a game I play to satisfy myself in the first place than on 2nd place its the random community - sounds selfish but thats the way it is. like I said clear and farm is another story.

if people, and based on your arguments there seems to be that kind of people, wait for vids before they enter any kind of new content... im really sorry for those people... looking vids of content ill never saw myself ingame before would ruin everything for me instantly... if you are used to play like this just to avoid yourself failing at any point... we should stop talking right here : /

As I said in the post you quoted; if it's regular mode primals, 24-man casual raids and 4-man dungeons feel free to go in blind. That content is designed to be easy enough for most people to quickly pick up the mechanics and clear it. If it's savage raids or extreme primals and you join any random PF group without knowing the mechanics, you are wasting the time of 7 other players who expect you to know the mechanics. Even if it's a learning party, you should have watched a how-to video. If it's the day of the release and you're with a learning group, then you can't expect anyone else to know the mechanics either. The argument about first experience of artwork is moot because the savage fights and extreme primals have the same artwork. The argument about learning the mechanics as they happen is only valid if the other people in your group are expecting to do the same.