As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

Thx

By the sounds you dont do high content then? I am actually fed ric. Just want a better design. Dont mind dpsing for my team, although I dont like it, looks like SB is going to be the same 'fun' a11s got to nerf my healing potency, which is needed at times in there, for the sake of accuracy, so I dont miss the dps hits. Trying to fit dps into 10 sec windows isnt 'fun'. When your next healing phase is photon/whirlwind combo. Please dont reply with 'oh its easy comments if your one of the ones that only play with the experts, who play with people who never take any damage hardly. Not about laziness its about wanting skill based fun, which cleric isnt, cos Im fed up of pressing my cleric button and it not going off in time or glitching with input lag. At least let the design be altered, so its not there simply for people to show off how ' clever' they are . Plus I dont think the healing community will be as upset as you think they will

[Feyona]

yay Tizzy I honestly think this is the whole point. Skilled players should do, player who don't feel confident enough yet (new cls, new content, whatever) shouldn't be forced to do so.

Yes, agree and also fed up of these assumptions, that if your not dpsing your 'lazy''I went in Zurvan ex the other day with a wmg co healer who was new to the fight I said Ill stay in cler for the phase before soar ( me sch). Only tank to heal that phase. Tank died cos couldnt get out cleric and heal tank in time 1 lustrate hit, next missed, cos tank died but not enough time to do adlo. Was being asked to dps to avoid soar. Ok thought to myself next time go in there Im not dpsing I will heal instead. Co healer new to fight. These factors need to be thought of pressures of avoiding soar or keeping tank alive with new healer. If I just healed would I be classed as 'stubborn' or 'lazy' if I refused to dps?

[Feyona]

Think one of the biggest problems is some ignorance, in random groups or those that dont heal. Healing isnt that easy in all instances, to dps as well is optimal play. If people see one expert healer doing it the assumption is all healers can do it, no matter what the circumstances. Some people do find the pressure stressful. Why do we need that stress? Plus what is wrong with desiring a playstyle choice you find more fun? No one is arguing that its not better to dps for the clear but there are some healers that dont find it fun to be forced to dps anyway, some 'hate' it. (referring to another post). I just wish healing itsekf was more respected like it is on other games. In wow healing ability is respected for a skill in itself. This game your only 'useful' if you dps as well. I really dont know why healing and keeping people alive isnt seen as 'useful' here

[Clouse_Cleyra]

I just wish healing itsekf was more respected like it is on other games. In wow healing ability is respected for a skill in itself. This game your only \\'useful\\' if you dps as well. I really dont know why healing and keeping people alive isnt seen as \\'useful\\' here

The thing is hard content is so hard when its new that every little help of a tank or healer its welcome and if u can do it then it becomes part of your job.
Saying that a healer must heal and also dps when he has the window is the same as asking a dps to maximize his dps output, is taking ur job to the limit with all the posibilities the job has to offer.
Its a little similar to ask for mantra, eye for an eye, virus, etc to dps...

You have a set of skills and all that skills make your job so using all that skills the best you can define how good you are on that job

Bu again this is for high lvl raiding anyway, if you dont wamt to dps you dont have to.

[Feyona]

The thing is hard content is so hard when its new that every little help of a tank or healer its welcome and if u can do it then it becomes part of your job.
Saying that a healer must heal and also dps when he has the window is the same as asking a dps to maximize his dps output, is taking ur job to the limit with all the posibilities the job has to offer.
Its a little similar to ask for mantra, eye for an eye, virus, etc to dps...

You have a set of skills and all that skills make your job so using all that skills the best you can define how good you are on that job

Bu again this is for high lvl raiding anyway, if you dont wamt to dps you dont have to.

Its already been said its high risk, Im not sure that using things like virus etc or other buffs have quite the same impact on the party as going in cleric, or being in cleric at the wrong time has.

[Dreggit]

I was tanking a learning run or Sephiroth and a WHM in the group kept getting harassed by dps and Co healer to dps. When theyou caved in to do it the same people harassed that healer for not healing enough. The healer broke down under the stress of it all and left. I did my best to convince the group that dps or no, I want a healer to heal if that's what they wanted to do. Needless to say we didn't clear.

But here's the thing. If the dps meta people could pull their heads out of their asses these things wouldn't happen.

It's one thing if it's Satasha and you aren't dpsing. But if you are playing end game content and you aren't comfortable doing something that gets in the way of your job, you should not be forced to do it.

Dpsing as a healer, at best, is situational . It is not necessarily required but is nice if it can be done.

[Deliciou5]

In my experience when you get to top tier fights such as creator 3/4 or zurvan EX, then the healer will need more accuracy to not waste a lot of mp, which in my experience many healers don't even think to meld/have, so in the end maybe some healers would be better off not dpsing just cause they have the wrong build for the high level fight.Even learning parties might have huge exception cause you don't know how many aoe heals your going to need or raises for that matter. My main problem was with people who acted rude,entitled,stubborn.

Even in clouse's case where he dps's sometimes and is only sometimes lazy is more acceptable to me than someone who totally refuses to even use CS at all. Trust me i met alot of them playing FFXIV, and they always act like children even when you are polite and nice to them.It's always in lower level content as well, i hardly see this entitled attitude when doing ex's or savage. Any advice at all is seen as hateful to them, or rude. They just pretend like they don't have to work at improving themselves and wasting everyone else's time unnecessarily. It's one of the reasons why i main WHM so i don't have to deal with "meh" healers during roulette's grind more often than not. Because i know i will always give my best.

[Llus]

By the sounds you dont do high content then? I am actually fed ric. Just want a better design. Dont mind dpsing for my team, although I dont like it, looks like SB is going to be the same 'fun' a11s got to nerf my healing potency, which is needed at times in there, for the sake of accuracy, so I dont miss the dps hits. Trying to fit dps into 10 sec windows isnt 'fun'. When your next healing phase is photon/whirlwind combo. Please dont reply with 'oh its easy comments if your one of the ones that only play with the experts, who play with people who never take any damage hardly. Not about laziness its about wanting skill based fun, which cleric isnt, cos Im fed up of pressing my cleric button and it not going off in time or glitching with input lag. At least let the design be altered, so its not there simply for people to show off how ' clever' they are . Plus I dont think the healing community will be as upset as you think they will

Again you try to bring this to "well only for high-level content" when you've been posting everywhere about "muh playstyle". Do you change your playstyle between faceroll DR content and EX/savage content? No, I don't raid anymore stalker. Yes, I did raid - I ran and cleared coil long before HW came out and my healers (especially SCH) DPSed. I gave up raiding after A2S partly because of the high DPS checks required and getting burned out.

Raids and primals are pretty easy to DPS in as a healer (and tank) since you know EXACTLY WHEN you need to heal and EXACTLY WHEN you need to shield and EXACTLY HOW LONG you can stay in cleric stance DPSing before switching to heal/shield. These fights are 100% scripted, so you know EVERYTHING that will happen and should be coming in with a plan for what you're going to do and when. The ONLY time you have the excuse of not knowing what to do and doing reactionary healing is when you're trying to run world first clears and it's the first time you saw XYZ mechanic or you've pushed a phase that you normally don't push. Same with tanks and DPS. Once the fight has been cleared, there are videos (even full length clear videos from multiple perspectives) that you can watch so you know the timing. So if you're mashing your cleric button trying to panic heal all the time, either the groups you have are REALLY bad and taking WAY too much damage or you didn't come in with a plan.

Content that is unpredictable is DF because you have no idea if your tank is going to mitigate damage correctly from the 12 mobs they pulled, how many mobs the tank will pull and if DPS will stand in everything. Still healing requirements being as low as they are you should be able to comfortably DPS through most pulls.

If you find the requirements for savage tier raids and ex primals too daunting and feel that your skill level is too low; either work on improving yourself or chose a different class. Don't ask that the content or class be changed because you specifically can't handle it. You want to be in the top 30%, then improve yourself - don't ask for the content to be made easier.

[Awful]

87 pages with 20 from Fey I skimmed through it and it's all "my playstyle vs the meta" I heal in 24 mans, primal EXs and expert, my play style doesn't change i've tanked them enough and DPS'd them enough to know when and where the damage comes from. Boss is about to do a huge AoE? Shields. Tank buster incoming? Virus. The same holds true in Savage if you know when the AoE is coming and when to heal and when to DPS then you'd know in A10S that the tank busters aren't what kill the tanks it's the mid busters that hit the tank 3 times in rapid succession.

A good healer will know when to DPS and when to heal honestly this has been going on for 86 pages when the answer is simple: you raid, you know the fights, you mitigate, you adjust, you heal, you dps. Nuff said if you can't do those things listed then your skill level is just low honestly and you need to work on it no one cares about play styles I had a whm not wanting to DPS in A9S when all they had to do was Assize/Aero III and a Holy, our Ast can solo heal in his sleep. We asked him about it and he didn't know it was required and we taught him that it is important and he followed our advice and guess what? He was doing just fine healing and DPSing at the same time because he adjusted to the advice we gave him.

[Kaeoni]

When I play DPS I don't set Second Wind because It's not my job to heal.

Am I doing it right now papa? Papa? Why are we going into the woods with your axe papa? We already have lots of firewood for the winter.