As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Neela]

I interpreted yoshi's statement to be about what he envisions about design, not the current state of the game. This might indicate a large base potency nerf on healing with stormblood to cut down the time healers can DPS.

well if he said he dislike cleric at all than maybe cleric stance has developed (com and dev wise) in a way they are personally not happy with. I can't see a reason why they even should think about to remove cleric with SB at all if they are satisfied with the current status of cs right now.

I personally would be happy if something like your theory will be the outcome for SB healer roles - but i can see the upcoming shitstorms if this will happen, like the whole dump Dia discussion since the last patch ^^

[Taika]

What Yoshi actually said (if you look at the video from the event) was, you should heal first and DPS second, making sure your party members don't die. Which is exactly what the pro healer DPS arguments have been saying all along.

[Neela]

true but that doesn't answer the question why they even thought about removing cs at all ^^

[Llus]

funny reaction Llus ^^ im not saying its the way to go but it's for real a statement the com can't ignore in there wave of brabbeling how cleric was intend to be - and its not intend to dps your fucking ass off as a healer - not more not less. But like i said in one of my very first posts in here: even if Yoshi, the Dalai Lama or Trump say you are wrong - the com will stick to their ignorant mind...

Thx thx, I try. Really, until they change the way healing (and tanking) work; you're still going to be pushed to DPS as a healer and push as much DPS as you can as a tank. If all they did was remove cleric stance and change damage healers did to MND instead of INT; you'd still have the DPS instead of /mandervilledance pls. If they removed the ability for healers to deal damage AT ALL; you'd have MAJOR complaints about not being able to solo content. If they just took away cleric stance in instanced areas, you'd have a community VERY upset because healers would be getting a free ride. Hell, I'd change to healer in a heartbeat if they just disabled cleric stance in instanced content - it'd be faceroll easy: divine seal, medica 2, regen, mandervilldance for 45s; assize, asylum, regen, mandervilldance for 45s

[Deliciou5]

You know what my basic problem is? The extremists. The pieces of fudging crap who pretend they don't have to dps at all out of frigging stubborn fact ignoring idiocy. That's it. DPS has been proven to be more efficient in most situations to be more efficient than standing around in easier content,or content you gotten used to or content you have become practiced at. When people go full retard and say they refuse to do something that is earned abilities and tools through leveling up and part of their basic abilities of their job, i really have no sympathy for those selfish asshats who have no drive to master their jobs and improve upon themselves.

It's not about elitists its about lazy people justifying lazy/cowardly things. As long as you are polite and nice, and don't act stubborn i am cool with you. When i accommodate people i don't just sit there and not give them advice, i slowly build up to it and mentor them and explain how speed runners do it and try to teach them my ways like a good senpai, i act nice about it and try to explain in detail in how it works, for those who act like its a play style to heal only have none of my respect, i automatically see those people as facebook/smartphone/alt tabbing checking scumbags who don't want to improve upon themselves.

If you are doing a hard fight and you want to play it careful, FINE. I get it. I do the same thing when suspect im gonna do alot of raises or my acc. not high enough to be efficient or your main healing while other the healer dps's in 8 man i get it. But for those who refuse out of , "healers just don't dps" and see it as playstyle i have no respect for it at all. Always use your full toolkit, be a man/woman and put in as much effort as the rest of the party. Achieve your full potential, Exploit the system and be Woke AF.

[Neela]

If you are doing a hard fight and you want to play it careful, FINE. I get it. I do the same thing when suspect im gonna do alot of raises or my acc. not high enough to be efficient or your main healing while other healer dps' in 8 man i get it. But for those who refuse out of , "healers just don't dps" and see it as playstyle i have no respect for it at all. Always use your full toolkit, be a man/woman and put in as much effort as the rest of the party. Achieve your full potential, Exploit the system and be Woke AF.

absolut +1

never tried to protect lazy people though - just wanted to make a difference in terms of a desire (extra dmg for a smooth fast run) and "u must/have to or else you'll get kicked". It seems kicking people for whatever reason (current ones healer without dps or even more actual running around with a 280 weapon) is getting trendy... it's SEs fault in game-/concept design not the player ones...

Seems a bit like the weapon of the "helpless ones"... but hmm...

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

true but that doesn't answer the question why they even thought about removing cs at all ^^

I interpreted it as they were thinking of removing cleric and making healer damage scale on Mind as opposed to Intelligence. I personally enjoy doing DPS as a healer, if I couldn't, I would be sitting there twiddling my thumbs (most HoT's and the Fairy can do the brunt of the work, especially with a good tank)

If you aren't confident enough to DPS safely, fine, but not using your damage skills on principle is just silly, its like, you refuse to utilize your full toolkit, they are there for a reason and its not just for solo content, its for the benefit of the whole team.

Also, asking to disable cleric in instances is just stupid, don't render several of my skills worthless in instances because some people can't/won't use them efficiently.

[Neela]

If you aren't confident enough to DPS safely, fine, but not using your damage skills on principle is just silly, its like, you refuse to utilize your full toolkit, they are there for a reason and its not just for solo content, its for the benefit of the whole team.

yay Tizzy I honestly think this is the whole point. Skilled players should do, player who don't feel confident enough yet (new cls, new content, whatever) shouldn't be forced to do so. Everybody started somewhere and even those blaming pros in here were noobs somewhere in the past – you haven't pushed your dps to overdrive since day one as well - so maybe think about those who are not on your skill & experience lvl yet ^^

[Clouse_Cleyra]

Im a main sch that raids and ofc i have to dps w/e i can.
In dungeons or instances sometimes im just lazy and i dont do it, i dont see any problem on that.
Im doing my main job fine so i dont see why u have to bother me with that (luckly to me i think nobody has ever bother me for not dpsing in easy content)

[Neela]

Im a main sch that raids and ofc i have to dps w/e i can.
In dungeons or instances sometimes im just lazy and i dont do it, i dont see any problem on that.
Im doing my main job fine so i dont see why u have to bother me with that.

<3 fair enough - it could be so easy ^^