Community expectations

[Rokke]

Going out of your way to ruin another persons time over something arbitrary, that not everyone agrees with, is petty. It is stuff like this, that make me wish me and my g/f coulda stayed on tonberry. Least the jp community is more organised and less cut throat

The JP community is less "cut throat" because they understand that playing their best makes the community better. The western communities are more into the Its My Sub And Im Going To Do What I Want camp.

[Ryel]

i personally wish players were less cut throat over "differences of play style" and not go out of their way to be rude to others over it, using buzz words as baddie, noob, carry, mediocre.

Going out of your way to ruin another persons time over something arbitrary, that not everyone agrees with, is petty. It is stuff like this, that make me wish me and my g/f coulda stayed on tonberry. Least the jp community is more organised and less cut throat. Saddly my job sitation had us move or i wasn't able to get much done.

The JP community is more organized because gaming as a hobby / recreational activity is taken more seriously in Japan. That and as a society they take a fundamentally different approach towards respect to group time and dynamics.

The DF on Japanese servers isn't treated as a testing ground and the "who cares it's just ----" mentality isn't prevalent because while the level or ease of content may be insignificant what they as players are treating with value is your time an issue that we currently have in the western community.

Nobody is asking for perfection, especially from those newer to content.

What they usually are asking for however is a modicum of effort, one shows that you feel the 3/7/23 other party member's time is just as valuable as your own.

Incidentally if the latest unofficial census is to be believed Tonberry has the lowest Savage Alexander clear rate of ALL Japanese servers while also having the largest western presence.

Food for thought.

[Ayer2015]

I would agree with what many people are saying about people not even trying in content if this game wasn't so easy to begin with. What I am referring to is content excluding Savage raiding and EX primals. When entering causal content, expect to deal with people who play casually...

That said, I would love for more challenging 4-man repeatable content that scales with ilv, to ensure a certain level of difficulty.

I just wish people had the capacity to adjust their expectations to the content they are currently participating in.

[Edewen]

If i join a dungeon and people are low ilvl, that is ont thing. But lazy is lazy and making excuses for it is a problem. You are joining a gorup activity and at least doing your part to the best of your ability should be expected. Ive stopped doing daily expert because I"m sick of getting melee whoa re simply autoattacking. We can see tp bars now, there is no reason a melee dps should be sitting at full tp the whole fight. The slackers accuse others fo elitism when really most of us would be happy with you playing like you give a dam regardless of your gear.

[caponesavage]

I have read a lot of these threads and one thing seems to be very common among them. This game has a hard time with communication between players. 90% of in dungeon issues can probably be resolved with proper party communication. Of course there are always exceptions such as blatant refusal to play properly or outright refusal to take constructive criticism. I feel though a lot of people either get into the solo mindset or as a party just feel like they dont have time or want to reach out to the offending person or persons. A little communication goes a long way.

[Kallera]

Japan is also a smaller country, making it easier for people to organize and meet, even in real life if they want. I cannot count the number of times I had to stop something "early" because the time zones were causing me to be dead on my feet the next morning.

[Reynhart]

All I ever really see is people wanting others to carry their own weight.

Problem is, this "weight" is for the beholder to decide. Some people would not accept anything below the optimal result, even if a sub-optimal could do well "enough". Jobs were rejected for that, "bad" itemization is frowned upon for that, and, most importantly, customization on characters and items is rejected for that.

If "carrying their own weight" was shared by everyone, then the game could be enhanced a lot. That was one of the purpose of Stone, Sky, Sea, regarding parsers. SSS does not give a number, it gives you a threshold. If you're above, you're able to do your part DPS wise. If you fail in content, it's because you're still learning the mechanics, not your rotation.

And besides, if you look at the recent "Soar Skip" debacle, it goes even deeper. Winning Zurvan EX without skipping Soar is not a DPS issue at all. Yet, many PF parties will kick you if you fail the skip.

[Ryel]

Problem is, this "weight" is for the beholder to decide. Some people would not accept anything below the optimal result, even if a sub-optimal could do well "enough". Jobs were rejected for that, "bad" itemization is frowned upon for that, and, most importantly, customization on characters and items is rejected for that.

"weight" Is not subjective unless a PF is specific and nobody gets removed for being "x" class in dungeons.

Meeting proper minimum ilvl for a dungeon or at the very least keeping up with gear appropriate for the level of content isn't really that hard of a concept. Same goes for hitting more than 3 buttons and not being an ice mage etc.

What some players still don't understand is that there is very little choice when it comes to gear options and it's by developer design. They intentionally have made stats a non-choice so if you're a DPS stacking VIT or a tank stacking DEX you're probably doing it wrong and yeah I'd be surprised if someone didn't say something at that point.

If "carrying their own weight" was shared by everyone, then the game could be enhanced a lot. That was one of the purpose of Stone, Sky, Sea, regarding parsers. SSS does not give a number, it gives you a threshold. If you're above, you're able to do your part DPS wise. If you fail in content, it's because you're still learning the mechanics, not your rotation.

While this is mostly true If we're talking about things like primals or raids the case is often players joining parties they aren't ready for.

If you are still learning a fight's mechanics don't join a farm party. Yet all too often we have players complaining that they've been kicked for x or y reason when the reality is as simple as they joined a group on content they weren't ready for.

And besides, if you look at the recent "Soar Skip" debacle, it goes even deeper. Winning Zurvan EX without skipping Soar is not a DPS issue at all. Yet, many PF parties will kick you if you fail the skip.

Then make one?

No, seriously. Full stop. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

If players really have an issue with the skip soar debate (which honestly doesn't require a massive amount of DPS to begin with) then make a party. Boot up the PF and create a "Soar learning party" or "Skipping soar not required party" and I promise you it will fill. It may not fill as fast as the others but it will fill eventually.

The vast majority of "all these PF's require X" arguments could easily be solved by players starting their own PF but many of them simply do not want to, regardless of the fact that it requires far more time and effort to create a thread on the forums complaining about it than it does filling a PF description.

[Kosmos992k]

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Edit : I'm removing this post because it's clear I completely mis-understood what the posters intent was. My apologies.

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[Miste]

Please stop trying to reverse the role of Duty Finder and Party Finder.

The person you quoted was talking about Zurvan EX.

Zurvan EX is not in the Duty Finder. You can only PF a full group or try Raid Finder (but no one usually uses the Raid Finder for it since most groups only go with one tank and the RF forces two)

So I think you might be misunderstanding.