Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

[Miste]

Another option that would be ignored because the requirements are way too tedious for the reward.

I thought most people keep saying more options is better though? It's still another way to get i275 so isn't that good?

Also if it was only i275 maybe SE wouldn't have made it so rare, just a possibility.

Which would actually, in my opinion, benefit more players. I actually would have gone to farm them for alt jobs and people who didn't have relic or savage would have a way to get an i275 and it wouldn't be so rare like the i280 is and barely benefit no one...but hey that's just an idea :/

Where were your complains when Creator was "the only option" ?

You are making the wrong assumption that I actually care about getting the i280 weapon. I'm not going to bother; it's not worth my time.

So if you read my post properly you will see I am not complaining it is the only option since I don't actually care. It was an objective reply about their argument with some of my opinions about relic that I feel should have been top weapon for at least a month for the players who put time into it.

I was pointing out a flaw in their argument about options; NOT complaining about there being only one option.

All you have to do is notice what I wrote:

Heck if they had just released it a month after relic completion even if it was still i280 I wouldn't care.

So if they added i280 at end of March I would have zero issue with it...so why do you think I am actually complaining about it being the only option even though I would have accepted it if it would have been added a bit later? Read carefully.

My only personal issue with the i280 weapon was how soon it was released after the final relic step (9 days). No other personal issues with it, but that doesn't mean I cannot make neutral objective replies about other player's grievances or say that people are allowed to voice their criticism.

[Reynhart]

Also if it was only i275 maybe SE wouldn't have made it so rare, just a possibility.

Raiders and Anima owners wouldn't have done Diadem if the weapon was only i275. With an i280, everyone has a change of improving their gear. Weher they have to motivation to do it another matter, which can be discussed for just every other content.

You are making the wrong assumption that I actually care about getting the i280 weapon.

Not you particularly. People complain about Diadem giving the best weapon for the next three months, yet they were totally fine for Creator giving the best weapon for the past 6 months.

My only personal issue with the i280 weapon was how soon it was released after the final relic step (9 days).

Your personal issue should be that the Anima weapon was not released sooner. Zodiac weapons (i125) were released at the same time as Final Coil where i260 Anima was released 2 months after Creator Savage.

[ErryK]

Zodiac weapons (i125) were released at the same time as Final Coil where i260 Anima was released 2 months after Creator Savage.

We can thank their decision of making the Anima i210 at launch instead of i200 or some such item level, it massively threw off the Anima's progression as opposed to 2.0 where they increased the Allagan weapons to be +5 item levels, I'm not quite sure why they decided to do that, but yes, I believe that's the reason why.

[Aquaslash]

Not you particularly. People complain about Diadem giving the best weapon for the next three months, yet they were totally fine for Creator giving the best weapon for the past 6 months.

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That's because Creator is the "hardest" content in the game so it SHOULD give the best gear. It was also expected that Anima was an alternative route to end game stats based on time vs skill, and most were ok with that. Even raiders worked on Anima on the side as Creator had bad stat rolls for a lot of jobs (Det/SS for DRG? Really?)

Besides, if the 280 is ultimately useless til Stormblood, why not add something more exciting and less offensive? Like a spellsword or a katana? Right now, I'm refusing to do diadem out of principle. However, if they were offering katanas, even of existing sets like Ironworks and Dreadwyrm, you better believe that I'd drop my A12S progression (which is at around 8% on 2nd puddles) in a heartbeat and thrown everything I had into chasing a katana. Can I just buy one at SB launch? Yes, but I'd want one NOW and I'd want to get my glamour started.

They could also just hand out a million gil, or a million MGP, or 100 Mhachi Matter, or 99 random primal tokens, or instacap all of your tomes, scrips, and seals, or cap your wolf marks, etc etc

You see that, that's a whole bunch of possible incentives that would have enticed raiders and anima grinders alike and doesn't disturb the balance of the end game. The 280 weapon is a copout, and a poorly thought out one at that

[Miste]

Raiders and Anima owners wouldn't have done Diadem if the weapon was only i275.

Erm...I am a raider and I have my anima and I edited it in after so you might not have seen it but I said I would have done Diadem to get weapons for alt jobs if they were a bit easier to obtain and if SE made them i275 they might have been not so rare.

So uh...that statement is false.

Your personal issue should be that the Anima weapon was not released sooner.

Erm...you can't just tell someone else what their personal issues should be. Like...this whole statement you made is pointless.

Had I known i280 diadem weapons were coming so close to the final relic step then I could have voiced my issue with it, but as I didn't know (and no one else knew either) then I can't have an issue with it can I?

So in the end the turning point where it became an issue was i280 weapons coming out without warning 9 days after final relic step so unless I can go back in time and know the future then my personal issue with it still exists and you can't just dictate to me what personal issues I should have or not have.

Weaving a situation like that and then attempting to compare is a cheap shot

You're making assumptions about me. I wasn't being hostile I was asking a question because I didn't understand some player's points of view. I wanted to know if, since they are fine with this system, if they are fine with the scenario I mentioned also. I was trying to understand, not to "cheap shot" anyone so that is incorrect.

Well since my issue was the relic only lasting 9 days then I can propose a solution then.

Most people like more options so I suggest adding another relic step that increases it to i280 and also adding something raiders can get to upgrade the savage weapon to i280. They can make it around the same difficulty for all 3 options just as long as they add the options then.

That should fix any problems people have. People who like the i280 diadem can still do it and still get it and relic and savage owners also have a way to get i280 versions of their weapons. Should be no problem there then and it adds more ways to get i280 weapons. This also solves the people having nothing to do because people have 3 options to make/get an i280.

[Reynhart]

Erm...you can't just tell someone else what their personal issues should be. Like...this whole statement you made is pointless.

Considering people expected the game would follow the footsteps on ARR for its formula, the release for Anima steps is actually the biggest difference.

Most people like more options so I suggest adding another relic step that increases it to i280 and also adding something raiders can get to upgrade the savage weapon to i280. They can make it around the same difficulty for all 3 options just as long as they add the options then.

What's the difference ? Since Diadem is the content that need to be promoted, would it be different if Emergency Missions randomly drops an item that could upgrade your Raid/Anima weapon while randomizing its stats ?

I'd like to come back to one of your earlier post, and more, importantly the answer you received from that. Yes, I would totally be okay to have Eureka give an i315 weapon at the same time as Omega1 is released. Because it's another option. And, since you did have an Anima weapon, you know that doing an Anima is not being lazy nor fightin against RNG for hours and hours.

[ErryK]

You're making assumptions about me. I wasn't being hostile I was asking a question because I didn't understand some player's points of view. I wanted to know if, since they are fine with this system, if they are fine with the scenario I mentioned also. I was trying to understand, not to "cheap shot" anyone so that is incorrect.

Fair enough, I apologize for any malicious intent in my post.