Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

[Lambdafish]

ITT: Wanting more options for gear is bad and anyone that disagrees is bad. Regardless of when it's released, whether it's with the release of the raid or can be acquired days/weeks after, having more ways to get gear can only do good. Raiders already had exclusivity for the last six months before this weapon even dropped... would you rather have absolutely nothing to do for the next months?

Yep...

To clarify even more (because apparently I have to repeat this over and over), I agree that more ways to gear up jobs is a good thing, but balance and care must be taken, otherwise you end up with less ways to gear jobs because you invalidate and make content obsolete.

Wanting more options for gear is bad... that is the entire arguement here /sarcasm

[LalaRu]

...I feel like you have an irrational hatred for raiders...

I haven't, for the category. People may be good or bad, we all know it. I just don't like people that feels being "superior" to others and show off that.

And I love the helpful people. Love much, one of them makes up for one million of those wants turn me down.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Yep...



Wanting more options for gear is bad... that is the entire arguement here /sarcasm

You claim to want more options, and yet when more options are, in fact, made available, you yell, cry, and scream as if they were burning everything in the fires of Dalamud. Which is it? Do you want more options, or do you want to wallow in the same gear you've had for months? You can't have it both ways, dood. One or the other. You claim that this weapon has invalidated everything in game, and yet it's been proven that it really hasn't. It's a tiny drop at the end of an expansion, it gives people that want a new shiny a reason to hang around and maybe try out a piece of content they may find they enjoy, while at the same time doing absolutely nothing to actually hurt any other content in game. (Maybe raiders pride is hurt? I don't get the hubbub over a new item to maybe get unless you're a collectaholic that absolutely needs to have each and every single item that's ever dropped at least once.)

[Reynhart]

Actually that is sort of why we're annoyed. If the gear treadmill was to continue, why not also stagger a 280 step for the Relic? also achievement mode for Savage (handicapped Savage clears for 280 weapons)? That way everyone is happy.

First, no, not everone is happy, people will complain that raid weapon is not the absolute best. And second, if you have another way of obtaining an i280, it means that every Anima owner and savage raider would not partake in Diadem, killing the content right away.

Besides, there is a very important misconception. Comparing how to obtain the Diadem weapon with the entire Anima questline. That's not how it works. The Anima already rewarded you at every prior step. The time it takes co complete a stage needs to be compared with the corresponding availibility of other weapons. Step 210 was compared to Gordias savage, step 240 to Midas weapon, and step 270 to Creator weapon.

So, what matches the Diadem weapon is the i275 step alone...and the required time is just on a whole different level.

It relegates progression/player power to RnG

RnG is a kind of progression...and Diadem relegates one item to RnG.

On the initial topic, I'm happy with that, even though I'll probably never have a Diadem weapon, and while continuing my Animas for personal satisfaction. Why ? Because it shifts the reward structure from the "skill only" mentality. As I said above, skill is not the only kind of dedication one can put into the game, and, to be honest, it doesn't have to be the absolute best dedication, especially because it narrows down the relevant to one type only.

[Miste]

You claim to want more options, and yet when more options are, in fact, made available, you yell, cry, and scream as if they were burning everything in the fires of Dalamud.

The over exaggeration is kinda getting ridiculous here. You can't just paint everyone as children throwing a tantrum just because you don't agree with their side of it. Come on, be a bit more tactful.

If the diadem weapon was i275 then yes it would be "another option" and it would lessen the amount of people that are upset. I know I wouldn't care. Heck if they had just released it a month after relic completion even if it was still i280 I wouldn't care. Because at least the investment I put into making relic made me have the best weapon available in the game for a simple month for the time I put into making it.

i280 isn't "another option" it is "the only option" now since it is the highest item level weapon obtainable. (Edit: Btw this isn't me "complaining" it is the only option I am just stating simple objective facts -_- )

If you want i275 weapon you have relic and savage - two options
If you want i260 gear you have Scripture and Dun Scaith - two options
If you want i280 weapon, best weapon in the game atm you have Diadem - one option (Edit: Again I'm not "complaining" this is just facts about the options available in the game)

That's not to say people can't be happy with i275, but your argument about it being "more options" is kind of flawed and I don't think it works for this case.

[seekified]

Meanwhile, I'm still working on multiple animas and can't really be arsed to set foot in the Diadem because it honestly seems like a bit of a pain. People's entitlement to whatever is the best at the moment truly knows no bounds.

[Reynhart]

If the diadem weapon was i275 then yes it would be "another option" and it would lessen the amount of people that are upset.

Another option that would be ignored because the requirements are way too tedious for the reward.

i280 isn't "another option" it is "the only option" now since it is the highest item level weapon obtainable.

Where were your complains when Creator was "the only option" ?

[Remus]

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People didn't complain because people knew relic would be another option in time... People had a choice of doing the raid and getting a 275 early or using time knowing down the road they will have a 275 which is fine in my book giving a higher ilvl them both of those by RNG linked to bad content isn't okay in my book especially when the rng is so low that only a few will get it even those who don't really deserve it compared to people who spent majority of their time working hard on relic or the raid. There is only one place to get a 280 weapon and that is diadem which is the only option to get it and that's what people hate and making it RNG just adds salt to the wound when you can just afk waiting for emergency mission and then potentially get a 280 with hardly any effort.

Also even though the ilvl is 280 it actually has the stats of a 285 and potentially strong as a 290. It's clear that without the 280 weapon diadem can't stand on it own legs which is another flaw in its design. They knew they made it terrible so they put a weapon in there to get people doing it when the content is just bad.

[Reynhart]

People didn't complain because people knew relic would be another option in time...

Yes, in time...3 months later. You know what happen 3 months from now ? Stormblood.

It's clear that without the 280 weapon diadem can't stand on it own legs which is another flaw in its design.

No, it's not. Diadem is and has always been a grand scale content. The problem with grand scale is the amount of shit people throw at each other. If you don't put a very clearly superior reward, there's no way people will be smart enough to stop bitching and start working together.

Just look at the 24-man raid design. At first, they tried to separate the parties so that each one could work on its own for a common goal, and people raged about that. So now, 24-man raid is just a bunch a bigger bosses with bigger HP pool, with no interesting alliance mechanics.

The flaw is in this very community.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Snip.

Yes anima hit i275... 6 MONTHS AFTER THE RAID TIER IS OVER AND DONE. Furthermore, the relic has never even been within spitting distance of the raid weapon throughout Heavensward. Everytime a new level for it was released, it was just in time for a new raid/ilvl tier, making it lag by an astounding 30 levels at its absolute worst, while the ARR relic never lagged more than 10 behind. Anyone that could see the pattern could figure the i275 would be released alongside another increase of the ilvl to keep it behind. I wasn't the least bit surprised that the coven weapons exist, was I the only one that saw it coming?

Hell, I was more surprised that they released an i275 step for the relic, I was expecting it to sit at i270 till SB.