Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

[Aquaslash]

Why complain about something now when it will later be replaced with something else and/or better? <- that's people currently logic. Follow it and you just don't play at all.

That's why nobody raids and nobody cares about improving their own personal skill

when really, it only affects everything prior to 4.0.

Then why couldn't it have come IN 4.0? Or at least after 3.56 to help all the people crying about getting murdered by Vishap 2.0

And if you really wanna make it a lottery, why not literally put in a million gil? Or even 100 million gil? That doesn't break weapon balance and even helps server economies

[Lambdafish]

Only wasted if you perceive it to be wasted. Also, an i280 won't always be BiS. I'm done.

Of course it is perceived, because thats how progression in this game works. Let ask you, why do people play this game? Why do people play beyond the story, grinding relics, doing raids? There is no fixed endgame, but there is progression. An i275 for 6 months has represented endgame, a fixed goalpost that says "i have reached the end of progression, i have beaten the gear cycle", stormblood comes out in 3 months yes, but out of the blue Yoshi and the team decided to move the goalpost, right when people were about to reach it, and for some reason that's ok. It doesn't allow for more choice, it doesn't allow for Catchup, it simply "forces" the goalpost to involve diadem in a big way

[Miste]

So just curious....to the people who are okay with SE's decision to put i280 weapons nine days after relic completion step..

What if at 4.0 the devs decide to do this....

Omega raid first 4 turns is released and the last boss fight in turn 4 drops i315 weapons.
BUT...9 days after this ^ is released they add an i315 RNG weapon to Diadem or PotD or Aquapolis or make the i315 relic step available to complete right then if you do the work.

Is this okay?

[Lambdafish]

Is this okay?

Don't even bother, for some illogical reason, multiple people have already said that they would be ok with this...

(Reason likely being so that they can get an i315 weapon lazily)

[Miste]

Don't even bother, for some illogical reason, multiple people have already said that they would be ok with this...

Hmm :/ I guess I just don't understand that thinking.

I'm no world first clearer so even I cannot obtain the raid weapons very fast and in general relic is usually my go to even though I do raid.

Even though I usually don't get raid weapons before the relic catches up to them I still wouldn't agree to add weapons of the same or higher item level 9 days after the raid was released considering how much time and effort people put into learning the raid fights and clearing them.

In that same sort of respect I wouldn't add higher item level weapons 9 days after people finally finished relic because while it is easier to do than raiding it still takes time and effort to complete it as well. It also lags behind the raid weapon naturally since the final step comes out many months after raid was released and not at the same time.

[Keyln]

So just curious....to the people who are okay with SE's decision to put i280 weapons nine days after relic completion step..

What if at 4.0 the devs decide to do this....

Omega raid first 4 turns is released and the last boss fight in turn 4 drops i315 weapons.
BUT...9 days after this ^ is released they add an i315 RNG weapon to Diadem or PotD or Aquapolis or make the i315 relic step available to complete right then if you do the work.

Is this okay?

Yes. Yes it is.

[Rainsworth]

So just curious....to the people who are okay with SE's decision to put i280 weapons nine days after relic completion step..

What if at 4.0 the devs decide to do this....

Omega raid first 4 turns is released and the last boss fight in turn 4 drops i315 weapons.
BUT...9 days after this ^ is released they add an i315 RNG weapon to Diadem or PotD or Aquapolis or make the i315 relic step available to complete right then if you do the work.

Is this okay?

Bad example. First of all, the Diadem was supposed to be released at the same time as the last step of the anima weapon. Secondly, well.... they won't repeat the same thing in 4.0 as they did for 3.55b. No logical reason to do it this early in the expansion.

Don't even bother, for some illogical reason, multiple people have already said that they would be ok with this...

(Reason likely being so that they can get an i315 weapon lazily)

You speak as if you have a 100% guarantee to get the ilvl280 weapon by AFKing in Diadems.

[Miste]

Bad example. First of all, the Diadem was supposed to be released at the same time as the last step of the anima weapon.

Yeah and since it was supposed to be released same time makes it even worse of an idea imo.

they won't repeat the same thing in 4.0 as they did for 3.55b. No logical reason to do it this early in the expansion.

Are you sure they won't repeat the same thing? I mean...if none of us expressed any discontent with what they did with i280 then maybe they will start doing that.

Which was kind of my point...some people are unhappy because this might be the first step to a very bad direction and there is nothing wrong with expressing that criticism to try to show SE that doing this more frequently might alienate a portion of their players.

[Rainsworth]

Yeah and since it was supposed to be released same time makes it even worse of an idea imo.



Are you sure they won't repeat the same thing? I mean...if none of us expressed any discontent with what they did with i280 then maybe they will start doing that.

Which was kind of my point...some people are unhappy because this might be the first step to a very bad direction and there is nothing wrong with expressing that criticism to try to show SE that doing this more frequently might alienate a portion of their players.

It is not the first time something similar is done in MMOs. And honestly, among the raiders (who represent a minority of the playerbase), how many are really unhappy with their decision?

I have a question for you: if a very lucky player get his weapon (for his main class), how is it affecting you? The new expansion is in 3 months.

[Reynhart]

There is one.

There was always onlye one way to get BiS...that's the core concept of "BiS". You just complain that you don't like this way.
However Diadem is now another way to get good gear, and again, if Diadem was i275, it means that raiders and Anima owners wouldn't have done it. You won't go with up to 71 pick-up to get a weapon that you can get either alone or in a party of 8 people.

An i275 for 6 months has represented endgame, a fixed goalpost that says "i have reached the end of progression, i have beaten the gear cycle"

i215 was endgame for 6 months, i245 was engame for 6 months...and now, you have something to do instead of running around in the same old content and getting bored of the game.