Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

[Miste]

You claim to want more options, and yet when more options are, in fact, made available, you yell, cry, and scream as if they were burning everything in the fires of Dalamud.

The over exaggeration is kinda getting ridiculous here. You can't just paint everyone as children throwing a tantrum just because you don't agree with their side of it. Come on, be a bit more tactful.

If the diadem weapon was i275 then yes it would be "another option" and it would lessen the amount of people that are upset. I know I wouldn't care. Heck if they had just released it a month after relic completion even if it was still i280 I wouldn't care. Because at least the investment I put into making relic made me have the best weapon available in the game for a simple month for the time I put into making it.

i280 isn't "another option" it is "the only option" now since it is the highest item level weapon obtainable. (Edit: Btw this isn't me "complaining" it is the only option I am just stating simple objective facts -_- )

If you want i275 weapon you have relic and savage - two options
If you want i260 gear you have Scripture and Dun Scaith - two options
If you want i280 weapon, best weapon in the game atm you have Diadem - one option (Edit: Again I'm not "complaining" this is just facts about the options available in the game)

That's not to say people can't be happy with i275, but your argument about it being "more options" is kind of flawed and I don't think it works for this case.

[Reynhart]

If the diadem weapon was i275 then yes it would be "another option" and it would lessen the amount of people that are upset.

Another option that would be ignored because the requirements are way too tedious for the reward.

i280 isn't "another option" it is "the only option" now since it is the highest item level weapon obtainable.

Where were your complains when Creator was "the only option" ?

[Remus]

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People didn't complain because people knew relic would be another option in time... People had a choice of doing the raid and getting a 275 early or using time knowing down the road they will have a 275 which is fine in my book giving a higher ilvl them both of those by RNG linked to bad content isn't okay in my book especially when the rng is so low that only a few will get it even those who don't really deserve it compared to people who spent majority of their time working hard on relic or the raid. There is only one place to get a 280 weapon and that is diadem which is the only option to get it and that's what people hate and making it RNG just adds salt to the wound when you can just afk waiting for emergency mission and then potentially get a 280 with hardly any effort.

Also even though the ilvl is 280 it actually has the stats of a 285 and potentially strong as a 290. It's clear that without the 280 weapon diadem can't stand on it own legs which is another flaw in its design. They knew they made it terrible so they put a weapon in there to get people doing it when the content is just bad.

[Reynhart]

People didn't complain because people knew relic would be another option in time...

Yes, in time...3 months later. You know what happen 3 months from now ? Stormblood.

It's clear that without the 280 weapon diadem can't stand on it own legs which is another flaw in its design.

No, it's not. Diadem is and has always been a grand scale content. The problem with grand scale is the amount of shit people throw at each other. If you don't put a very clearly superior reward, there's no way people will be smart enough to stop bitching and start working together.

Just look at the 24-man raid design. At first, they tried to separate the parties so that each one could work on its own for a common goal, and people raged about that. So now, 24-man raid is just a bunch a bigger bosses with bigger HP pool, with no interesting alliance mechanics.

The flaw is in this very community.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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Yes anima hit i275... 6 MONTHS AFTER THE RAID TIER IS OVER AND DONE. Furthermore, the relic has never even been within spitting distance of the raid weapon throughout Heavensward. Everytime a new level for it was released, it was just in time for a new raid/ilvl tier, making it lag by an astounding 30 levels at its absolute worst, while the ARR relic never lagged more than 10 behind. Anyone that could see the pattern could figure the i275 would be released alongside another increase of the ilvl to keep it behind. I wasn't the least bit surprised that the coven weapons exist, was I the only one that saw it coming?

Hell, I was more surprised that they released an i275 step for the relic, I was expecting it to sit at i270 till SB.

[Miste]

Another option that would be ignored because the requirements are way too tedious for the reward.

I thought most people keep saying more options is better though? It's still another way to get i275 so isn't that good?

Also if it was only i275 maybe SE wouldn't have made it so rare, just a possibility.

Which would actually, in my opinion, benefit more players. I actually would have gone to farm them for alt jobs and people who didn't have relic or savage would have a way to get an i275 and it wouldn't be so rare like the i280 is and barely benefit no one...but hey that's just an idea :/

Where were your complains when Creator was "the only option" ?

You are making the wrong assumption that I actually care about getting the i280 weapon. I'm not going to bother; it's not worth my time.

So if you read my post properly you will see I am not complaining it is the only option since I don't actually care. It was an objective reply about their argument with some of my opinions about relic that I feel should have been top weapon for at least a month for the players who put time into it.

I was pointing out a flaw in their argument about options; NOT complaining about there being only one option.

All you have to do is notice what I wrote:

Heck if they had just released it a month after relic completion even if it was still i280 I wouldn't care.

So if they added i280 at end of March I would have zero issue with it...so why do you think I am actually complaining about it being the only option even though I would have accepted it if it would have been added a bit later? Read carefully.

My only personal issue with the i280 weapon was how soon it was released after the final relic step (9 days). No other personal issues with it, but that doesn't mean I cannot make neutral objective replies about other player's grievances or say that people are allowed to voice their criticism.

[Reynhart]

Also if it was only i275 maybe SE wouldn't have made it so rare, just a possibility.

Raiders and Anima owners wouldn't have done Diadem if the weapon was only i275. With an i280, everyone has a change of improving their gear. Weher they have to motivation to do it another matter, which can be discussed for just every other content.

You are making the wrong assumption that I actually care about getting the i280 weapon.

Not you particularly. People complain about Diadem giving the best weapon for the next three months, yet they were totally fine for Creator giving the best weapon for the past 6 months.

My only personal issue with the i280 weapon was how soon it was released after the final relic step (9 days).

Your personal issue should be that the Anima weapon was not released sooner. Zodiac weapons (i125) were released at the same time as Final Coil where i260 Anima was released 2 months after Creator Savage.

[ErryK]

Zodiac weapons (i125) were released at the same time as Final Coil where i260 Anima was released 2 months after Creator Savage.

We can thank their decision of making the Anima i210 at launch instead of i200 or some such item level, it massively threw off the Anima's progression as opposed to 2.0 where they increased the Allagan weapons to be +5 item levels, I'm not quite sure why they decided to do that, but yes, I believe that's the reason why.

[Aquaslash]

Not you particularly. People complain about Diadem giving the best weapon for the next three months, yet they were totally fine for Creator giving the best weapon for the past 6 months.

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That's because Creator is the "hardest" content in the game so it SHOULD give the best gear. It was also expected that Anima was an alternative route to end game stats based on time vs skill, and most were ok with that. Even raiders worked on Anima on the side as Creator had bad stat rolls for a lot of jobs (Det/SS for DRG? Really?)

Besides, if the 280 is ultimately useless til Stormblood, why not add something more exciting and less offensive? Like a spellsword or a katana? Right now, I'm refusing to do diadem out of principle. However, if they were offering katanas, even of existing sets like Ironworks and Dreadwyrm, you better believe that I'd drop my A12S progression (which is at around 8% on 2nd puddles) in a heartbeat and thrown everything I had into chasing a katana. Can I just buy one at SB launch? Yes, but I'd want one NOW and I'd want to get my glamour started.

They could also just hand out a million gil, or a million MGP, or 100 Mhachi Matter, or 99 random primal tokens, or instacap all of your tomes, scrips, and seals, or cap your wolf marks, etc etc

You see that, that's a whole bunch of possible incentives that would have enticed raiders and anima grinders alike and doesn't disturb the balance of the end game. The 280 weapon is a copout, and a poorly thought out one at that

[Miste]

Raiders and Anima owners wouldn't have done Diadem if the weapon was only i275.

Erm...I am a raider and I have my anima and I edited it in after so you might not have seen it but I said I would have done Diadem to get weapons for alt jobs if they were a bit easier to obtain and if SE made them i275 they might have been not so rare.

So uh...that statement is false.

Your personal issue should be that the Anima weapon was not released sooner.

Erm...you can't just tell someone else what their personal issues should be. Like...this whole statement you made is pointless.

Had I known i280 diadem weapons were coming so close to the final relic step then I could have voiced my issue with it, but as I didn't know (and no one else knew either) then I can't have an issue with it can I?

So in the end the turning point where it became an issue was i280 weapons coming out without warning 9 days after final relic step so unless I can go back in time and know the future then my personal issue with it still exists and you can't just dictate to me what personal issues I should have or not have.

Weaving a situation like that and then attempting to compare is a cheap shot

You're making assumptions about me. I wasn't being hostile I was asking a question because I didn't understand some player's points of view. I wanted to know if, since they are fine with this system, if they are fine with the scenario I mentioned also. I was trying to understand, not to "cheap shot" anyone so that is incorrect.

Well since my issue was the relic only lasting 9 days then I can propose a solution then.

Most people like more options so I suggest adding another relic step that increases it to i280 and also adding something raiders can get to upgrade the savage weapon to i280. They can make it around the same difficulty for all 3 options just as long as they add the options then.

That should fix any problems people have. People who like the i280 diadem can still do it and still get it and relic and savage owners also have a way to get i280 versions of their weapons. Should be no problem there then and it adds more ways to get i280 weapons. This also solves the people having nothing to do because people have 3 options to make/get an i280.