Is our sub fee not enought

[Naunet]

Will still need a rewrite. 2.0-4.0 is a whole story, not a collection of short stories with not much connection between them.
Or we will get a chronology fragmented story like in FF XIII-2, where you start with fighting for Ala Migho, and then enter your first time Eorzea, following with a raid to the garlean capitol, and at the end to fight against Nidhogg.

I take it you don't really know how GW2 manages story. Or... any other MMO. If you want the whole story, you play through the quests, but starting the new expansion should NOT require having completed the past ones. It doesn't require jumbling up the story at all. You are just able to pick up the expac's starting quest at your liesure (so long as one is of the appropriate level).

This is kind of a side topic, but the jump potions are just another symptom of wanting to simply use the mogstation as an easy, cash-grabbing out.

[Kaedan]

This is kind of a side topic, but the jump potions are just another symptom of wanting to simply use the mogstation as an easy, cash-grabbing out.

No, they are a necessity brought about by having multiple expansions and the level cap raising. Nearly every major MMO in existence (and most minor ones) have a level skip option after a few level cap raises.

[Naunet]

GW2 runs on a different engine and GW2 offers a free jump to lvl 80 if you own HoT. FF14 is actually one of the few MMOs which don't offer such a service in the west at this point.

Levels also are fairly meaningless in GW2, so the level jump is not comparable. It is simply an example of how a coherent story can be presented without walling people off from participating in content that they'd like to engage in. It's not even the only example, as every MMO I've seen that does story expansions works in this way or similar.

As far as things like the Rising Stones, that would simply be unlocked when you get to the point in the story that you need to go there. It can be treated like any other phased zone in MMOs, and it wouldn't be all that confusing to the player.

No, they are a necessity brought about by having multiple expansions and the level cap raising. Nearly every major MMO in existence (and most minor ones) have a level skip option after a few level cap raises.

But in those MMOs, they do not also require you to complete all of the old expansion story prior to participating in the current expansion content. The STORY JUMP potion is a cheap cash grab.

[Skivvy]

CRAZY WALL OF CHAT AND QUOTES - AND NOT ON TOPIC
You have been warned.


To my favorite

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This will absolutely be my last reply to you. Unless of course you make a really juicy reply. Sometimes I just can't help myself!

So my issues are the following - first you accuse me of being dishonest (which I wasn't), and then accuse me of lying (which I didn't). And then you go on about me just doing this for "interwebz points". Did I step on your puppy or something?

But anyway, lets go back to where this started, for fun of course.

You replied to my quote (which was not directed at you):

There has been very little fear mongering in this thread. I suppose if you'd rather focus on a few comments instead of every other valid point, that's up to you.

with this:

I don't know what thread you're reading, but nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument.

To which I replied:

Nearly every person you say?! Talk about hyperbole.

And for a breather, lets throw in the definition of Hyperbole.

Hyperbole
noun, Rhetoric.
1.
obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2.
an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”.

One might argue that stating "nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument." is quite an exaggeration meant to create a strong impression. The majority of posts have not delved into this despicable realm.

Let us continue!

So to my last comment above, I get this response:

Oh, so you like to argue dishonestly, I see.

I said nearly every person complaining about the cash shop has utilized fearmongering hyperbole in their responses at least once in this thread... which is a fact, not hyperbole.

So now you're implying I'm dishonest - not quite sure why.

So I reply:

You either don't understand the meaning of hyperbole or fear mongering. Most responses in this thread have been just fine. Also, you changed the wording in your comment above. Minor, but it still lessens the effect.

At this point, feel free to compare your two sentences. They are in fact worded slightly different, as I mentioned. Before you very adamantly stated that nearly everyone complaining was using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument. You changed that to "nearly every person complaining about the cash shop has utilized fearmongering hyperbole in their responses at least once in this thread?"

Minor, yes, but the first response implies that the fearmongering was relentless from nearly everyone who was complaining. Second sentence makes the comment slightly less extreme as we complainers only used fearmongering at least once in the thread.

OK, lets keep this memory train rolling.

My last comment did not sit well with you, and you had this to say:

1) Again, I didn't say "nearly all the responses in this thread". I said nearly all the people complaining about the cash shop have used fearmongering hyperbole, which is a fact. There are several examples on the last 3 pages alone.

2) I didn't change the wording of anything. Stop lying in order to attempt to score "interwebz points".

With #1 we're just arguing semantics now. Boring! But #2 - I like #2. You have now called me out for lying. Can you steer me in the right direction of my lies so that I may see where I went wrong?

Anyway, it's been interesting. Have yourself a delightful evening





Also, inb4 some silly dismissal because my boredom knows no bounds. Maybe next time just stick with the facts, then I wouldn't need to waste all my time correcting you. :X

[Kaedan]

One might argue that stating "nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument." is quite an exaggeration meant to create a strong impression. The majority of posts have not delved into this despicable realm.

You would be factually incorrect. My statement can be demonstrated by actually reading the thread. If you actually take the time to read this thread and the replies by "those complaining about the cash shop", the vast majority of them contain fearmongering hyperbole. For example: "What's next, selling full sets of top ilvl armor?" "I bet Stormblood is going to have full blown gachapon." Those are just the tip of the ice burg.





Also, inb4 some silly dismissal because my boredom knows no bounds. Maybe next time just stick with the facts, then I wouldn't need to waste all my time correcting you. :X[/QUOTE]

[rainichan]

If it were not for Mogstation, there would hae been no funding for FFXV, FFVII Remake, of KH3.

You have it backwards. Our subs + buying FFXIV funded those, just like previous SE titles funded FFXIV. All of the money from game sales and mmo subs (both XIV and XI) circulate back into SE and fund the different development teams/utility bills/paychecks,etc.

The money from the Mog Station sales goes directly to the XIV devs. That's why they introduced it in the first place.

[Reynhart]

With the way XI worked I don't think many had multiple characters for playing and was mainly just for extra storage which not possible in XIV unless want to jump though hoops to do it.

Heloooo, additional retainers

And there was a perfectly legitimate alternative solution for them: unlinking the MSQ from progression to the next expansion. They went the cash-grabby route instead.

No, they went the "we have our lore set up and we'll follow it" route. Giving free access to Ishgard for every little whiner who wouldn't have the dedication to finish the ARR storyline is a big middle-finger to what makes FF XIV a Final Fantasy.

[Naunet]

No, they went the "we have our lore set up and we'll follow it" route. Giving free access to Ishgard for every little whiner who wouldn't have the dedication to finish the ARR storyline is a big middle-finger to what makes FF XIV a Final Fantasy.

The story jump potion does exactly what you seem so adamantly against, except SE wants to charge people the cost of an additional expansion for it. How is it magically acceptable only if SE tries to gouge their players?

By the way, just because someone wants to do Stormblood as soon as they hit 60 doesn't mean they wouldn't want to later go back and finish the Heavensward story (the same with ARR).

[Celef]

Yoiu don't "have" to get anything from the mogstation... I dunno where people get the idea they are forced to.

Well basicaly, if you want to wear that dress

you are forced to buy it in the Mog Station cause no way to obtain it IG

[Kaedan]

Well basicaly, if you want to wear that dress

you are forced to buy it in the Mog Station cause no way to obtain it IG

Are you aware of what the words "forced" and "have to" mean?

You are not forced to buy anything from the mog store. No one is holding a gun to your head to buy things. WANTING things in the mog store and DECIDING to purchase them because you like them enough to buy them is not being "forced".