Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[Underdog2204]

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This is what I can't stand... Self righteous preaching based on nothing but a self inlfated sense of someone's own morals.

I find there is nothing wrong with needing on gear you have use of for any reason, you have zero right to call that selfish or self absorbed since I say that's the same for everyone not just myself.

Careful getting off that horse... looks like it'll be a long way down.

[Altena]

I need GC seals, and I need desynth levels.
Therefore I need the gear just as much as you do.

[Cordie]

Seen it and it convieniently ignores the loot rules in regard to 8man and 24man content.

Therefore it is useless and skewed.

And rather than calculating it you sit there whining.

How do the percentages go in 8 or 24 content?

Update

Probability of getting an item after rolling "Need" in a light party and full party (1tank-2healers-5dps) with any composition:



(fixed a typo in my first formula too - don't expect any miracles though)
[EDIT: just double-checked in Python, 9.5% for NIN/BRD/MCH accessories in the full-party case is actually 9.3%, and I can't find what's wrong with Excel there huh...]

Compare: greed-only rule gives a flat 25% for light party, 12.5% for full.

Wut? There is no agreement. If you read my post you would understand that.

Let's see:

I roll on everything.

Then you should be happy if the "need" button is unlocked for everyone: you can roll need on other roles' items too.

It seems quite obvious to me. You also ignored it to drag the issue off-topic ("how to gear-up your class", as if it would prioritize you roll over others').

You would also understand that my multitasking is not subpar.

Honestly, anything less than 800-1000 seals per minute is a net loss, if you are really farming seals. Tome caps are too easy to achieve anyways.

Now my alternative method that i proposed, shows you how to actually gear up. Not only is it a fast efficient way to gear up. It also minimizes the reliance on others passing for your gear, because you are actually going as that class and the gear is restricted to weekly rolls and tome gear.

This is all fine and tangential to the topic, and perhaps better suited for a different thread (I've seen some asking about ways to gear up; this is not one of them).

[Valenth]

This is what I can't stand... Self righteous preaching based on nothing but a self inlfated sense of someone's own morals.

I find there is nothing wrong with needing on gear you have use of for any reason, you have zero right to call that selfish or self absorbed since I say that's the same for everyone not just myself.

Careful getting off that horse... looks like it'll be a long way down.

Then you and I differ in opinion on the subject. I find needing on gear without notifying/asking/etc for anything else but to increase one's direct combat performance snatching away fairness. I'm fairly sure you've had some bad series of run-ins with RNGezus in your life as well, being frustrated because of it at times. If I can prevent someone from having that happen to them, something I wouldn't enjoy happening to me either, then why would I not do it? Why would I snatch away and claim the chance for all in the group to have an equal shot? Call me self-righteous if you want, but that's how I feel about it.

And no need to think I'm on a horse. Should I run into you in a dungeon, you'll find that I'm walking right next to you with both feet on the ground, giving you a fair shot on loot should DRG stuff drop.

[CrystalRainbow]

If you are playing well enough for me to comm you. And you ask could I have any XXX job gear. I will often pass on Need gear.
If your a ass hole about it and aren't playing good I will need my gear for GC points.

[Underdog2204]

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Everyone in the group has an equal shot on the drop. If it doesn't drop for their job then tough cookie..

not like I can need on the aiming chest and then immediatly need on the healer gloves that drop straight after (which the healer will likely also need). You may like taking zero precautions as to your own self development but some of us are more proactive than that and realise everyone already has exactly the same chance.

Those of you who chose not to take yours for your own self esteem have that as your own problem. It's not a rule for the rest of us... We are all bound by the rule we've been given not the one you say we should impose based on nothing since everyone already does have an equal chance.

Well that's your own fault coz I would take it (if I won the roll) and not thank you for doing it either... Will likely just think you missed your opportuinity for no reason. Wouldn't bat an eye if you needed on it either... So who would you really be helping in this secnario? Just seems to be pointless.

Also if someone really wants a piece of gear why don't they have the need option available? Who took that away from them? Oh thats right... themselves.

[Felis]

And rather than calculating it you sit there whining.




Update

Probability of getting an item after rolling "Need" in a light party and full party (1tank-2healers-5dps) with any composition:

Shouldn't PLD, WAR, DRK, WHM, SCH and AST get 100% the item after rolling Need in a light party?

[Spiroglyph]

Try asking politely.

Was in stone vigil yesterday leveling my alt, first drop was rolled on by the lvl 60 whm - after this I asked if they minded passing on INT gear, and in exchange I'd pass all other gear that dropped that I couldn't need on. They said sure, and that they'd needed out of habit something which I frankly can sympathize with, having done it myself multiple times before.

This will probably not always work, as people have various reasons for why they could roll need on a piece of gear - maybe they're running a dungeon on their lvl60 tank but actually want some gear to gear their OTHER tanks? In any case, taking away people's choice of needing a piece of gear is, imho, not a very good idea and will only serve to increase people's apathy toward leveling roulette.

Another thing, considering how gear in this game is practically thrown in your face without you even asking, I don't see why this would e necessary at all. Side quests, main story quests, region vendors - all of these are sources for white gear. While it's true that stat-wise white gear is inferior to dungeon drops, you're leveling and said gear would be outdated in a couple of days anyway, and in lower level dungeons the difference simply won't be very noticeable, I think.

tl;dr loot rules are fine as they are

[SendohJin]

This chart is all sorts of irrelevant.

Here are the things it doesn't take into account.

Healers get faster queues in 8 man content with 1 tank, 1 tank queues suck for 8 man content. the difference in the odds make up for that difference.

Yes, it's 100% that you have 2 healers in 8 man DF groups, and it's not 100% that you will have two BRD/MCH but it's also very likely that the healer has the piece you want so you're still rolling Need unopposed. and this gets more and more true the later you are into a patch cycle.

Tanks and Healers have more stress, when they get better queue times and better rates for stuff it's because they are willing to take the extra responsibility.

[Cordie]

Everyone in the group has an equal shot on the drop.
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Those of you who chose not to take yours for your own self esteem have that as your own problem. It's not a rule for the rest of us... We are all bound by the rule we've been given not the one you say we should impose based on nothing since everyone already does have an equal chance.

Check the numbers before babbling.

Also if someone really wants a piece of gear why don't they have the need option available? Who took that away from them? Oh thats right... themselves.

tanks can only roll need on tank gear (VIT/STR)
healers can only roll need on healer gear (MND)
MNK can roll need on striking/slaying (STR)
DRG can roll need on maiming/slaying (STR)
NIN can roll need on scouting/aiming (DEX)
BRD/MCH can roll need on aiming (DEX)
BLM/SMN can only roll need on casting (INT)

It is insanely more restricted than you claim. Therefore, my proposal:
Enable the Need button for everyone and for every item, irrespective of class/job/role.