Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[Underdog2204]

I feel it goes both ways. On one hand, you'll never have so many rivals to contend with as a healer or tank. On the other, since all healers/tanks share dropped gear, you have a higher chance of needing to out-Need the other healer/tank in every run you do for 8-man+ content (ignore tanks if it's a single tank instance), whereas it's entirely possible to be the only caster/ranged physical DPS etc in an entire run at times and get your pick of the loot every time it appears while four Monks fight over their allocation. I usually end up completing my BLM 8-man glamour sets before my WHM sets.

Yeah that's a fair observation, one I could conceed tbh ^^

Again can't adjust loot rules just for roles/jobs more popular than others. Means those on the least played end of the scale would get screwed over royally. I'm talking about DPS specifically here ofc since certain roles in the group as dps are much more popular then others.

[Squigley]

Can't really adjust loot to different roles neither can you give a better chance of getting x loot to more popular jobs at the expense of those who enjoy playing the less popular ones. It's just something people need to accept if they chose to play a job that is commonly played across the playerbase.

Agreed, it's a case of dealwithit.gif

Although, I did specifically mention junk loot As in drops which won't ever be worn and will just be turned in for GC seals or whatever. Role doesn't really matter in that case.

[bardaboo]

Glad to see we reach an agreement: Enable the "Need" button for all loot and for everyone in the party irrespective of job/class.



Since you are opting for a sub-par method for your own needs (seals etc), why are you so concerned with the utility of that method to others?
I don't see how any of the alternatives you proposed devalues others' claims against your "need". You may as well consider an alternative before demanding others to adjust.

Wut? There is no agreement. If you read my post you would understand that. You would also understand that my multitasking is not subpar.
Now my alternative method that i proposed, shows you how to actually gear up. Not only is it a fast efficient way to gear up. It also minimizes the reliance on others passing for your gear, because you are actually going as that class and the gear is restricted to weekly rolls and tome gear.

And once again you didn't answer any questions

[Mihana]

To reply to the original post, if you really want a piece of equipment ask the party if you can have it. In my experiences usually if you simply ask they'll be happy to pass on it or let you know they need it too. The other thing is they COULD need that piece. It could be for a retainer to gear them up or maybe the piece simply adds better stats than what they have in that slot. For example, some ranged gear has stats better suited for Bard over Machinist or vice versa. Other times a piece of gear may be tailored for a specific set. Not all gear is created equal and when you mish-mash pieces of equipment together from different sets it can offset your overall stats. Like a hat from one armor set may prioritize Critical Hit over Determination but the user's existing gear setup makes them a bit too lacking in one area because of it. Therefore they may need that piece to even out their stats a bit, at least until they can afford to get an entire set of augmented shire gear.

[Underdog2204]

Agreed, it's a case of dealwithit.gif

Although, I did specifically mention junk loot As in drops which won't ever be worn and will just be turned in for GC seals or whatever. Role doesn't really matter in that case.

Which cannot be quantified.

One mans trash can be another mans treasure afterall ^^

[Kit-Kat]

Agreed, it's a case of dealwithit.gif

Although, I did specifically mention junk loot As in drops which won't ever be worn and will just be turned in for GC seals or whatever. Role doesn't really matter in that case.

But now the issue here is who decides what's more important. If you're gearing up, GC seals might look like junk to you. But someone who is running dungeons just to get seals and/or glamour give the item the same value as you do for the stats. There are many options for gears as there are many option for seal exchange (although not for specific glamour pieces) so it's not like stats weight would have more value.

[Alleo]

I have a feeling that some forgot that the OP is not talking about is main class but about gearing up another one. So can someone that wants people to stop rolling on need on their right class please explain why someone that does not even use the class as a main has more of a right to a loot than someone else? They dont need that class to do the content since they still have their main class for it and if they somehow still want to use the second one they have more than enough possibilities to gear up. (And to be truthful..someone that wont play the second class because they feel like they are not good enough first need some training in lower dungeons anyway..or it shows that they barely play it..so why the need?)

And the solution of having everyone being able to need or greed is bad for everyone..I could already see OP and others coming into this forum and complaining that they now wont even get the necessary gear on their main class because they lose the roll against three others.

[Soge01]

This is still going on? Wow.

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This.

Also thank you Squigley and everybody else who didn't think my idea was silly. I really have no comments anymore for this thread as Squigley was right, there isn't really a need to say anything about this on a forum who's questions or complaints won't be heard. Like many people with the drop system, I deal with what's handed in front of me with no problems, sometimes I even laugh about it and take it as a challenge to try to get what I need! But sometimes, when those times come up where I keep getting unlucky none stop because a higher lvl player has to Need on something they won't be using beside what many people said here (glamour, GCs, etc) it just makes me really frustrated and I thought I should at least say something about it and hopefully get someone in the development to notice to at least make the drop rate a little more fair to those still leveling up their Job classes' gear like myself. But again as Squigley said, there was really no point to talk about this in a forum where nobody is really heard.

...Hmm, well that's all I got, so have a good day and have fun playing the game! Bye~

[Squigley]

But now the issue here is who decides what's more important. If you're gearing up, GC seals might look like junk to you. But someone who is running dungeons just to get seals and/or glamour give the item the same value as you do for the stats. There are many options for gears as there are many option for seal exchange (although not for specific glamour pieces) so it's not like stats weight would have more value.

I do understand that different people value different things. That's one of the reasons why I think that the whole group greeding on non-stat improving drops is fair. But the fact is that stats and ilvl is how you progress in this game. iLvl unlocks content and stats beat dps checks (although if you're basing your progress on dungeon drops you're kinda doing it wrong).

[Valenth]

I haven't read all 25 pages on here so it could be it has been brought up before, but the unwritten rule seems to have changed in the last year or so on this game.

Some while ago people wouldn't roll need on gear if they were obviously better geared so that everyone in the group had an equal shot at getting items. It was considered being nice to other players, upholding that FFXIV community spirit that we all were so proud of before ("It's not like WoW on here"). That mindset seemed to have ruled supreme until more recent times.

The game mechanics allow you to hoard the things all for yourself, so tough luck for the others, right? Wrong! We ALL need GC seals, desynthing and gil in general. Being nice is an actual conscious choice to make, just like being selfish is. It's just that it's a hell of a lot easier to be selfish, especially behind a monitor. However, the truth is people aren't born nice or nasty, they're making these choices actively, day in day out. Nice people also have selfish thoughts, but they actively chose not to act upon them for the sake of the greater good. And you know why? Because shit gets done when communities get united and we don't cheese out others of stuff just because we can. The world doesn't revolve around our individual selfs, but we're all pieces of a bigger whole and cannot succeed without others. So the arguments "I need it for these things" and "game mechanics allow me, so too bad" seem pretty moot if you ask me because we all need that stuff. Let's be honest, we all just want to justify being selfish, we all want to stop thinking of others constantly. Problem is that while genetically we're inclined to think of our individual selfs first, survival of the fittest after all, by doing so in this manner we decline the entire community as a whole and in the end, ourselves. Be it morally or physically, it will be snowballing out of control.

Bottom line, let's just default to greeding everything you see to give everyone a fair (<keyword) shot. Let's try to make this community better again together, yeah? Sure you'll run into people who aren't aware yet of anything past their own PoV and indeed as plenty have already opted on the previous pages, talking is the key in the end. I'll be sure to do my part and try to positively reinforce if I see people greed instead of need so that we're not normalizing ethical comprimise on these subjects.