Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[Mixae]

I've had the issue where I'm in a dungeon and need on a piece of gear, and theres a lvl 60 person that also rolls need on it and they obviously don't "need" it. Lol i always makes me mad but I guess its obly fair?

[Cordie]

Thank you for the summary, Reinha. It puts everything in place.

Let's assume we are talking about the highest possible gc trade in gear that isn't locked out.
i245 dungeon drops.
there are 5 better ways to gear up
alex 9-12 normal. 250
crafted. 250
Dunscathe. 260/270 accessories
shire. 260/270
Alex savage 270.
Now please explain how me rolling need on a 245 dungeon drop so i can get gc seals is hindering you.

In 4 out of 5 (excluding the crafted*) ways of gearing you mention the chance of getting an item is, at most, half (8 vs 4 ppl) of that in a light-party dungeon, for a similar time commitment.
In addition to your needs, is your time worth more than others' now?

* Crafted items are currently the fastest and most efficient way to farm GC seals. You don't even need i250 -spam an i220 synth, it's way cheaper.

[CGMidlander]

There are more reasons to "need" stuff than actually using the gear. (GC seals, glamour, desynth)
If anything, actually using dungeon gear is uncommon and very short term given how easy it is to get gear that is superior to dungeon stuff.
For leveling dungeons, same deal with the abundance of crafted gear available from quests & how fast leveling goes.

[bardaboo]

Thank you for the summary, Reinha. It puts everything in place.



In 4 out of 5 (excluding the crafted*) ways of gearing you mention the chance of getting an item is, at most, half (8 vs 4 ppl) of that in a light-party dungeon, for a similar time commitment.
In addition to your needs, is your time worth more than others' now?

* Crafted items are currently the fastest and most efficient way to farm GC seals. You don't even need i250 -spam an i220 synth, it's way cheaper.

Shire gear is guaranteed. The Dunscathe accesory is guaranteed. And you mentioned time commitment. Let's talk about that. My bard is i270. Lots of time commitment there right? So if i want to now commit my time to collecting gc seals who are you to say that is not as important? I roll on everything. If someone asks, I'll pass. But I'm not going to run a dungeon on my bard in order to gear up my lower jobs. I've capped shire every week. And I'm now buying pieces for my fourth job. Time commitment.
If you don't ask. You aren't going to get anything aiming in a dungeon with me. Gc seals are one reason why i have 60mil gil.
Sure it may be greedy to roll need. But i guarantee you I'd be rolling greed if that was the only option.
I am by no means self entitled i demand nothing from df randoms. Why do you?

edit: also. You mentioned the other forum posts about people being booted from dungeons and tried to twist that to prove your stance on why you cant run a dungeon on the class that needs gear. You can. Just don't wear fending pieces on your caster. Know your rotation.
I'm not going to spend my lore and time crafting items for gc seals. I run expert for tomes. And bonus gc seals. 2 birds one stone. Seems like you need to work on time management.
edit: the other ways i did mention are WEEKLY LOCKOUT AND CAN'T BE TRADED IN FOR SEALS. So again. Please tell me how rolling on i245 gear is hurting you.
no. My time isn't worth more than others. Why is it you assume you'll never be able to get gear unless everyone passes? You say % 50 chance at best. So that means if rng favors me I'm selfish? What if it favors you?

[NessaWyvern]

I roll on stuff for seals, glamour, etc. But as soon as someone says "Nessa, could I have that please?" I'll hit pass.
A great way to get GC seals though, is to do pvp, trade in the wolf marks for accessories, and then trade those accessories for gc seals

[Cordie]

Shire gear is guaranteed. The Dunscathe accesory is guaranteed.

Shire gear is 0.9 pieces per week, the accessory is 1 per week. I think you missed the time scale entirely here.

My bard is i270. Lots of time commitment there right? So if i want to now commit my time to collecting gc seals who are you to say that is not as important?

If you did care about the time/seal you put into it you would go the crafted way (~15-20k/15min and I'm slow at crafting too -I know I have to work on my time management there, but uhmmm ..chatting...). You may as well choose to be inefficient, but not at the expense of others.

I roll on everything. If someone asks, I'll pass. But I'm not going to run a dungeon on my bard in order to gear up my lower jobs. I've capped shire every week. And I'm now buying pieces for my fourth job. Time commitment.
If you don't ask. You aren't going to get anything aiming in a dungeon with me. Gc seals are one reason why i have 60mil gil.
Sure it may be greedy to roll need. But i guarantee you I'd be rolling greed if that was the only option.

Then you should be happy if the "need" button is unlocked for everyone: you can roll need on other roles' items too.

I am by no means self entitled i demand nothing from df randoms. Why do you?

Self-entitled or demanding? Not really:

I have been lucky that most of the groups I had would "greed" by default. And my default choice is always greed. The only cases where I would roll need are:
1. I am with a <60 class and I need a green/pink item for an immediate upgrade
2. it's a lv50 duty (esp. raids) and I need the item for glamour
3. someone in the party has rolled "need" on an item just because they could -I'll be damned if I let their greed score them anything for my job.

Vindictive? You bet. (offline blacklist anyone? XD )

[bardaboo]

What time scale? You want to gear up fast? Pvp. I235 in a few hours. Plus a shire piece. Run your towers. Now you have 2 270 accesories. That gets you into a9-12 which drops 250. In one day you can have 2 270 accesories a 250 accesory a 250belt and a 250 head piece on top of your pvp set. Plus any 260 piece which you can roll need on in dun scathe.

edit ilvl oopsie

[bardaboo]

If you did care about the time/seal you put into it you would go the crafted way (~15-20k/15min and I'm slow at crafting too -I know I have to work on my time management there, but uhmmm ..chatting...). You may as well choose to be inefficient, but not at the expense of others.
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How is running a dungeon for script tomes/lore tomes ($$) and gc seals ($$) all at the same time inefficient. I never said i spam expert once capped. I don't need gc seals that badly. Plus if i do feel the need to run a dungeon for gc seals i run unsynched for darklight gear.

[Underdog2204]

How is running a dungeon for script tomes/lore tomes ($$) and gc seals ($$) all at the same time inefficient. I never said i spam expert once capped. I don't need gc seals that badly. Plus if i do feel the need to run a dungeon for gc seals i run unsynched for darklight gear.

Coz it's hard to understand you can do more than one thing at one time xD

If you are running content you need to be doing it for one very specific reason apparently >.>

[Cordie]

What time scale? You want to gear up fast? Pvp. I235 in a few hours. Plus a shire piece. Run your towers. Now you have 2 270 accesories. That gets you into a9-12 which drops 250. In one day you can have 3 270 accesories a 270belt and a 250 head piece on top of your pvp set. Plus any 260 piece which you can roll need on in dun scathe.

There's another good idea: PvP turn-ins for GC seals! In any case, consider the options for your own needs before forcing them upon others!
[You have a calculation error there: it's 0.9 270 items per week through tomes (and you're pretty much dead for the rest of the week if you get more than 1)]

How is running a dungeon for script tomes/lore tomes ($$) and gc seals ($$) all at the same time inefficient. I never said i spam expert once capped. I don't need gc seals that badly. Plus if i do feel the need to run a dungeon for gc seals i run unsynched for darklight gear.

Unless you make around 8-10k seals per (~15min) run from the dungeons, I'm pretty sure it's a loss.
You'll need to check the MB on your server to estimate how much, but you are def/ly losing.

Seeing no objection, I assume you're ok with giving everyone the "need" option? This is what matters.