STOP ask for exclusive things to obtained in other way

[Sicno]

So since i ended in top 100 solo q.. I exploited the system right?

...Please go and actually read the thread once and for all.

The thread was about the manipulation of the rankings that happened during the season, with things like teams waiting until low activity hours to get matched together and wintrade. There's also the case of a known cheater (not gonna say names) that has been... let's say "speeding" his way to the top and guess what, he got the mount too. The thread didn't mean to say that hardcore players who put effort shouldn't get exclussive rewards. The premise was that there was so much cheating through the season that these rankings mean nothing and shouldn't be honored. Of course not everybody on the top must be a cheater, but it seems there was so much of it that the season rankings are a joke.

[Nirokun]

...Please go and actually read the thread once and for all.

The thread was about the manipulation of the rankings that happened during the season, with things like teams waiting until low activity hours to get matched together and wintrade. There's also the case of a known cheater (not gonna say names) that has been... let's say "speeding" his way to the top and guess what, he got the mount too. The thread didn't mean to say that hardcore players who put effort shouldn't get exclussive rewards. The premise was that there was so much cheating through the season that these rankings mean nothing and shouldn't be honored. Of course not everybody on the top must be a cheater, but it seems there was so much of it that the season rankings are a joke.

Then the only logical conclusion to CHEATERS is to remove them. The illogical reason being used as a launchpad to remove exclusivity is that because there were cheaters, nobody should have exclusive rewards as they are rendered meaningless. That doesn't fix the problem of cheaters, nor does it promote activity within the content. The only logical answer is to crack down on cheaters and establish harsh punishments.

[worldofneil]

I want the blue onion knight helm that came with the 1.0 collectors edition (that can be used by any class and is dyeable)

It can be used by any class, but it's not actually dyeable. It's forever blue. There's also the 1.0 Peregrine Helm which is black/silver with red feathers, but that's also not dyeable (never seen that one myself either)

Or the regular Red Onion Helm which is probably quite cheap on your market board (it is on my server), but also not dyeable.

[Sharksandrew]

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Well I was hoping for one that isn't for tanks only but oh well. Maybe a dyeable one will come out some day since there isn't one.

[RhaegarFFXIFenrir]

Let's be realistic here: FFXIV is a PvE game with PvP content slapped on. As such, PvP players shouldn't be surprised that there is a certain amount of envy from the player community over these new mounts. Mounts that, I might add, most of us would not have had a shot at even if we knew they were going to be added into the game. As such, there's nothing wrong with people asking that they be added in for the rest of us to get, but I don't think for a moment that they should be "freely" available and should still be tied to PvP. SE struck the right balance with the Garo mounts...perhaps when the next season of the Feast ends, these mounts can be added into the game via Wolves Den/Frontline achievements that still require players to put a significant amount of PvP effort in to obtain the rewards. Those that have them now, they'll have had months to enjoy having them exclusively. No items in this game, aside from CASH items (preorder bonuses, collector edition bonus items, forum contest winners, and others of this sort), should be locked away forever.

[Vhailor]

Serious , people must stop complain when something exclusive is added in this game . In this case im talking about the 2 mounts that ppl got from The feast season 3. EVERY1 Had their chanche to obtain them , if you failed on that ( the season was more than 3 months lenght) NO you don't have to get them . This also goes for anything else added in the game , if you fail on obtain it , you don't have time to invest , you are not skilled enough than no you don't have to get exclusive stuffs . Stop complain and stop think you deserve everything for free and start work on stuffs if you really want them.

Firstly, as others have said, basing rewards on rankings is an utterly ridiculous notion when there aren't strong measures in place to mitigate win-trading. So, yeah, that whole "EVERY1" bit (nice display of intellect, there) is wrong.

Secondly, basing anything exclusive around time windows is problematic. I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that some things should be exclusive to certain types of content, but that has to come with a caveat: the content should never be permanently expired. Maybe that means the Mounts come back around next year during this same window, but still be based around The Feast - who knows. Either way, your statement about "if you fail on obtain it , you don't have time to invest" makes for poor game design. It reeks of rank egoism, as does your entire post.

When you've got something constructive to add, come on back. As-is, yours are precisely the types of comments SE should never, ever listen to.

[Nirokun]

Let's be realistic here: FFXIV is a PvE game with PvP content slapped on. As such, PvP players shouldn't be surprised that there is a certain amount of envy from the player community over these new mounts. Mounts that, I might add, most of us would not have had a shot at even if we knew they were going to be added into the game. As such, there's nothing wrong with people asking that they be added in for the rest of us to get, but I don't think for a moment that they should be "freely" available and should still be tied to PvP. SE struck the right balance with the Garo mounts...perhaps when the next season of the Feast ends, these mounts can be added into the game via Wolves Den/Frontline achievements that still require players to put a significant amount of PvP effort in to obtain the rewards. Those that have them now, they'll have had months to enjoy having them exclusively. No items in this game, aside from CASH items (preorder bonuses, collector edition bonus items, forum contest winners, and others of this sort), should be locked away forever.

Whether or not PVP has been slapped on is up for discussion, but the increased focus on PVP is not. SE has been steadily adding content to PVP lately, and the Garo event is not the new standard, it's purely to lure non-PVP players into PVP via an event. It's not a reward structure to be followed at top levels of play, the Garo rewards are very easy to get for the average player. The rewards system in place for the Feast is much harsher, the rewards are for top players PER DATA CENTER. This is nothing at all like "farm x wins" to unlock the achievement in the achievement log used by the Garo event.

You can beg all you want for competition rewards to be made available, but these items are obtained by winning in a competition. It's incredibly bad form to offer a trophy to competition winners, then just give everyone a trophy afterwards. If you want to pretend, the Uraeus Coat is the S1/S2 reward (basically), and the Fenrir mount is the S3/S4 reward (basically). They reskinned them and made them competition rewards for winners to show off and brag about. Nothing "new" (aside from the Rank 1 trophy furnishings, minion, and S3 earring) has been made for the Feast competition, so grab your Uraeus Coat and Fenrir mount and back off. Or, you know, compete.

[Nirokun]

Firstly, as others have said, basing rewards on rankings is an utterly ridiculous notion when there aren't strong measures in place to mitigate win-trading. So, yeah, that whole "EVERY1" bit (nice display of intellect, there) is wrong.

Secondly, basing anything exclusive around time windows is problematic. I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that some things should be exclusive to certain types of content, but that has to come with a caveat: the content should never be permanently expired. Maybe that means the Mounts come back around next year during this same window, but still be based around The Feast - who knows. Either way, your statement about "if you fail on obtain it , you don't have time to invest" makes for poor game design. It reeks of rank egoism, as does your entire post.

When you've got something constructive to add, come on back. As-is, yours are precisely the types of comments SE should never, ever listen to.

Let's all agree that win-traders should be removed, nobody is arguing that. Using that as a launchpad to remove exclusive rewards is ridiculous, the logical answer is the remove the win-traders to base "rewards on rankings". That's the only logical answer.

There's nothing wrong, at all, with basing exclusives around timed windows. You don't need to have everything, especially if you didn't win, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DIDN'T COMPETE! For goodness' sake, there's all that 1.0 stuff, go raise your pitchforks there and tell me how well that works for you.

If anything is poor game design, it's listening to a community whine about not having everything by virtue of paying a subscription. Your subscription lets you play the content available, including the opportunity to participate in a competition with EXCLUSIVE REWARDS, ADVERTISED AS ONLY BEING FOR THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE ENTIRE DATA CENTER. This is what SE wanted, it's designed this way. You literally have the opportunity to participate and prove yourself the best. But no, your conclusion is to shake your subscription fee in your clenched fist, and demand the company change the competition to meet your needs. Like, where do you come from where this is okay? I don't hold these beliefs anywhere, I was not raised to behave like that.

"Rank egoism" is literally what bragging rights are, that's what SE encourages with such exclusive rewards. Welcome to a world with competition, some have, some don't. Be thankful it isn't food on your plate or a roof over your head.

[NessaWyvern]

I got into the top 7 solo queue in season one. Started running into speedhackers and losing to them, watching my rating crash from it and getting upset.... Let's just say it was getting unhealthy. Seeing them still not banned months later put me off it entirely. And now I am seeing others go through that same frustration with wintrading in party. Unless serious action is taken against cheating, then I'd say they should be available in other ways, Much later, and in a very tedious way, but still available. And definitely not sold on the mogstation.

If a lot more people competed in party, then the wintrading would become less viable, as everyone else in queue besides the wintraders would pop when one of them would try to wintrade, but with the cheating that's currently going on, even less people want to do party. This makes it even easier for the wintraders to wintrade. It's a vicious cycle :/

[Lambdafish]

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I 100% agree with this, my contribution to the discussion was:

Lets not talk about removing rewards because that is bad practice instead lets talk about:

- Asking the devs for a decay system
- Asking the devs for a more robust reporting system and moderation
- Asking the devs for the restriction that only one character per account per datacenter is allowed to be ranked
- Asking the devs for a token system so that mounts from previous seasons can be obtained in future seasons if you don't like that seasons rewards (promotes the idea that the reward can always be obtained while still keeping the reward as a PVP ranked prize)

I was prompty ignored amongst people saying "I hate PVP" while also demanding the rewards. Yes the ranking system is broken but lets demand the devs fix it rather than demand the rewards because even mentioning the rewards, or any other request is illogical and frankly entitled.

It reeks of rank egoism, as does your entire post.

For the record, rank egoism doesn't exist in this context because the rewards are confined within the PVP bubble where their intended purpose is to promote competition. Hell, saying something like "it's egoism" is just an excuse for being entitled, you haven't earned those rewards, nor do you need those rewards. Nobody is rubbing their rewards in your face just by having them, they are just a trophy that has been earned, and whether it is timed or not, those that earned them deserve them, and those that didn't do not. Not to say that PVP doesn't have problems (as outlined above), but your use of the term egoism is horribly misplaced.