Is our sub fee not enought

[Zojha]

If something is doing great financially, you're going to invest further to multiply those earnings.

Mhm...actually no.
This is the standard for those kinds of things:
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(Boston Consulting Group Matrix)

FFXIV mooost likely is currently being milked in favor of future stars - the whole triple budget thing still needs a reliable source.

[Endemerrin]

FFXIV mooost likely is currently being milked in favor of future stars

You're assuming FFXIV is a cash cow, though. I'd argue against that. XIV's profits have only being growing, and they even made specific note of XIV's success after Heavensward's launch.

It would make far more sense for them to reinvest further into FFXIV until a point where it's deemed that it's growth has plateaued.

[Zojha]

XIV's profits have only being growing [...]

XIV's profits or the profits from supporting merchandise (Cash shop, plushies etc)?

I mean, I lack official numbers as much as the next guy, but judging from the unofficial censi, we don't have a substantial growth in subscribers and consequently no growth in subscription revenue. If then profits are growing regardless, chances are they are coming from supporting merchandise and from a business perspective, SE would likely rather invest in that, while keeping the game itself on a maintenance budget solely intended to keep the people buying the extra stuff interested in the game, so they keep buying extra stuff. That's not an uncommon milking strategy. And this is the moment where every conspiracy theorist can let their confirmation bias run free, because now we can speculate whether SE actually has done that of late or not.

I'll leave that to others. To me, SE's strategy regarding FFXIV seems very cashcow-y right now, but hey, we can keep our fingers crossed I'm wrong!

[bswpayton]

XIV's profits or the profits from supporting merchandise (Cash shop, plushies etc)?
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what is wrong with that tho, as long as t hey are providing a good game, let those whom wana buy the extra stuff do it , seriously we get so much stuff I dont even have time to play other games cause its so much stuff to do in this game and Ive been playing for months. Someone showed me the numbers the other day dont think the are official but they make a few hundred million well wow makes more and thats who we compete wit so lets let the devs make more money so what its a business thats what businesses do. A sub isnt gona make them put everything in the game when they can make side money to , if people get mad over this I wana know what game they think does it better because all of them have similar practices.

[Stormrider]

what is wrong with that tho, as long as they are providing a good game, let those whom wana buy the extra stuff do it

With this type of game what people consider good is relative. Some people may be disgusted by lack of housing. Some may dislike the fact that crafting gear is the easiest to use in leveling due to rng drops. Emotes or certain visual components might be more important to others. I don't ever glamour leveling gear. But I know some people every new item has to match the set.

[bswpayton]

With this type of game what people consider good is

but to be fair tho I cant think of another game that gives new content even if its a little bit every three months and it seems that alot of players over look this , thats so many updates when other games will give you the base game and then an expansion and your left to fiddle your thumbs until something else comes. This game seems to have a very spoiled player base at least on the forums, its things Id love in the game but Im not gona expect everything just cause I pay 15 well really for me 20 bucks a month. Especially coming here from swtor, that before I left milked you for one chapter a month on their expansion, Im just grateful for what they do give even if I dont use everything in the game.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

This game seems to have a very spoiled player base at least on the forums, its things Id love in the game but Im not gona expect everything just cause I pay 15 well really for me 20 bucks a month.

As a 10+ year MMO veteran, this is nothing. Almost all MMO official forums have a vocal minority complaining about anything and everything from "this player did that thing and I don't like it" to "stop making items for your cash shop and spend that money on things I want." Few here, if anyone, actually understands how FFXIV's development team is structured, how decisions are made (or even by whom they are made), how their budget works, how much oversight Square-Enix corporate has over the game's operation itself, etc.

Everyone on the forums has a Bachelor's in Business and/or Computer Science and knows how easy it is to make the things they want in the game. /s

[Skivvy]

but to be fair tho I cant think of another game that gives new content even if its a little bit every three months and it seems that alot of players over look this , thats so many updates when other games will give you the base game and then an expansion and your left to fiddle your thumbs until something else comes. This game seems to have a very spoiled player base at least on the forums, its things Id love in the game but Im not gona expect everything just cause I pay 15 well really for me 20 bucks a month. Especially coming here from swtor, that before I left milked you for one chapter a month on their expansion, Im just grateful for what they do give even if I dont use everything in the game.

To bring up everyone's favorite topic, FFXI! For those not aware, this is SE's only other MMO to date. (I can hear the groans!)

But anyway, XI included all* game items in your monthly subscription. You paid your sub, and that was that! So now here comes XIV, which is from the same company, and they've completely done away with their old business model. Now they seem quite content to double-dip their characters whenever they can, constantly raising prices to boot.

You call us spoiled, I call the company greedy. They've done a complete 180 on how they run their MMOs, and that's a shame.




*Because someone always nitpicks this - this is not including expansion packs, fan-fest items, etc.

[Naunet]

what is wrong with that tho, as long as t hey are providing a good game, let those whom wana buy the extra stuff do it

Because it's not just "extra" stuff. Emotes are things we in the past would have received from a cute little quest. Now? $7 in the mogstation, per character. The fact that it's in the mogstation at all is bad, and at that PRICE? Absurd.

[bswpayton]

Because it's not just "extra" stuff. Emotes are things we in the past would have received from a cute little quest. Now? $7 in the mogstation, per character. The fact that it's in the mogstation at all is bad, and at that PRICE? Absurd.

seven dollars is nothing tho its seven dollars, the thing is its up to you whether you believe that emote is worth your attention for me its not for some it is, but its not like its something you have to have again its just a want. Everything in the cash shop is a want, SE provides everything that we need to play the game in the game, why are people butthurt about optional items.

This reminds me of a post I made on entitlement , samething goes here people want same achievements as people who worked for those achievements, and it seems now the people in the wrong are those whom have more money than others to blow. Like its just a way for the game to make extra money give them a break they give us so much already why get upset that they are making side cash from those who have the extra money to buy it. On a balance beam 50 plus emotes compared to like under 10 for sale I believe we have plenty of things for our sub, I cant believe people are complaining about that ten they didnt put in the game.

And just last month we got the dote emote again for our 15 dollar sub I forgot about that one.

Almost everything you buy the product and you pay extra you buy cable at base price if you want those extra channels better have some extra money, you buy a gym membership if you want all the extra stuff that come with some extra money. If your in school want to take extra hours more money, you want those extra dlc in other games after you buy the base game more money. Like this is not a new concept , this is business nothing more just like jump potion is business Im ok with not having everything just because I paid enough to play the game every month, if I cant afford cash shop items then I just cant Im not gona say the game is wrong for having them.

Let them make money why not you enjoy their game so let them profit as much as they can for all they give us all Im saying is just be thankful. As I already mention while they where putting these items in cash shop they still gave us a new dance four our 15 dollars a month, so why get mad about the other two they didnt just give us is it really that big of a deal that we only got one thing instead of all three things for our monthly sub.