Is our sub fee not enought

[Kaedan]

Right because you pay a sub to most other games that have dlc

Actually, all MMOs that have a sub sell "DLC" (read: cosmetic items) in a cash shop.

[JunseiKei]

Right because you pay a sub to most other games that have dlc

Also, on a technicality, you do if you own PS4 and XboxOne and want to play games that have online connection. You need to buy the game, pay for the console's premium services/ access (Playstation Plus, don't know Xbox's), buy any content that a game releases, etc. I mean the whole reason FFXIV isn't on Xbox is because you'd essentially be paying a double sub since Microsoft insists it's needed and apparently won't relent. At least Sony took that requirement off for FFXIV.

People overlook this so much.

[Vaer]

Also, on a technicality, you do if you own PS4 and XboxOne and want to play games that have online connection. You need to buy the game, pay for the console's premium services/ access (Playstation Plus, don't know Xbox's), buy any content that a game releases, etc. I mean the whole reason FFXIV isn't on Xbox is because you'd essentially be paying a double sub since Microsoft insists it's needed and apparently won't relent. At least Sony took that requirement off for FFXIV.

People overlook this so much.

That's fair. However the pricing on the premium console service is cheaper and covers all games you may want to play instead of only XIV in addition to other perks. The problem also doesn't exist on most of the same games on PC.

[Skivvy]

I did see the comment about XI, and for what it's worth, I honestly can't remember how the patches went back in the day when I was actively playing a lot. But with that said, they do still actively patch the game to this day. We tend to get new mounts and random items put into the login reward system The monthly patches add random battles, add items, and tweak/update/fix existing content.

Few patch notes if you feel like perusing the other side
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/52235
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/52095
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/51767
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/51624

[Felis]

Alternatives:
Put every CS item into Golden Saucer for (CS price *300k) MGP

[Skivvy]

Alternatives:
Put every CS item into Golden Saucer for (CS price *300k) MGP

I would be totally fine with the cash shop existing if we had some way to obtain all items in game as well. It could be for a high MGP, or an achievement reward, or some other method - just having the option would be nice. That way people who enjoy projects in game have something to work towards, those who want it right away can buy it off the shop. Win-win.

[Roda]

I would be totally fine with the cash shop existing if we had some way to obtain all items in game as well. It could be for a high MGP, or an achievement reward, or some other method - just having the option would be nice. That way people who enjoy projects in game have something to work towards, those who want it right away can buy it off the shop. Win-win.

You have to be careful though, because that incentivizes developers to make the content tedious ,boring, or even frustrating to encourage more cash shop sales.

[Seig345]

You have to be careful though, because that incentivizes developers to make the content tedious ,boring, or even frustrating to encourage more cash shop sales.

I believe that's what Skivvy had in mind. As it is, there's no other option at all; so even a tedious, boring, or frustrating challenge to get around paying for it in the cash shop would at least be an option for those who'd rather commit the time they're paying their subscription for towards obtaining it rather than paying for them outright.

[MiraKershaw]

Also, on a technicality, you do if you own PS4 and XboxOne and want to play games that have online connection. You need to buy the game, pay for the console's premium services/ access (Playstation Plus, don't know Xbox's), buy any content that a game releases, etc. I mean the whole reason FFXIV isn't on Xbox is because you'd essentially be paying a double sub since Microsoft insists it's needed and apparently won't relent. At least Sony took that requirement off for FFXIV.

People overlook this so much.

Except your paying for Microsoft and Sony to upkeep and update their servers not paying for a company double dipping their fingers in your pockets, also completely neglecting PC which have none of these charges.

[Recruiter]

I wouldn't mind the cash shop so much if it didn't have so many exclusives, even then I'd probably swallow my pride and buy a couple things if it was account wide.

That's my main complaint really. Mounts are account wide so even for the somewhat steep price you can rationalize it if you have a few characters you use, but character only cash shop is too much.