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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    XIV's profits or the profits from supporting merchandise (Cash shop, plushies etc)?
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    what is wrong with that tho, as long as t hey are providing a good game, let those whom wana buy the extra stuff do it , seriously we get so much stuff I dont even have time to play other games cause its so much stuff to do in this game and Ive been playing for months. Someone showed me the numbers the other day dont think the are official but they make a few hundred million well wow makes more and thats who we compete wit so lets let the devs make more money so what its a business thats what businesses do. A sub isnt gona make them put everything in the game when they can make side money to , if people get mad over this I wana know what game they think does it better because all of them have similar practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    If then profits are growing regardless, chances are they are coming from supporting merchandise
    Not necessarily. We can assume that a month of development cost less than the sum of all subscriptions for that month.
    So, with each passing month, the game's profits are only growing more and more.
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    Who leads ff 14 in subs and money wow does, Ive never played it Im not interested in it but the fact still remains its a cash cow, what do you expect FF 14 to be ok with just making profit to get by alone. This is a business mmos are competitive they compete with each other be thankful we arent free to play cause we very well could be let them make their money and stop complaining. Look at it as ff 14 is pepsi and it wants some the same profits as coke , thats all it really is them just tryin to have extra ways for them to profit this game cant stay small forever its to much competition out there so no the sub isnt enough because many other games have several other ways to make money so let this one do their thing geez.
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    I can't recall who suggested this earlier in the thread, but I really like the idea of having a way to convert in-game gil to crysta in order to purchase things from the market.

    The cash shop is obviously here to stay, and the prices just seem to be getting more and more ridiculous. I think it would appease a lot of the people who are adamantly against the cash shop as there would still be an "in-game" method (of sorts) to purchase the items. Plenty of other MMOs do this. I would imagine the exchange rate would be quite high (knowing SE), but it would be nice to have the option.
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    I guess at the very least they didn't lock /songbird behind a paywall, and I don't know about anyone else, but a lot of people on my server seem to love that one more than /playdead or /backflip, not just because /songbird is free and more people have it, but because of the fact that people have been creating EPop bands and singing till the sun went down for about a day and a half now. It's probably one of the best emotes SE has ever made thus far, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Man, don't get me started on the FFXIV housing file, I have a lot of choice words for it and none of them are positive, sadly >>;...
    :3 Hopefully by informing others who don't know they could see much better, and by reminding SE they have a litany of issues with their current system, maybe some time in the future when they're passing it around in a room they'll say "You know what, Houses! Lets do that again!" lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post

    I was just putting that link out there since it was mentioned in a few points throughout the OF that people weren't sure if it was quoted that the Cash Shop helped fun the EU data centre. By some rights it wouldn't be a long hard to extend that thought to say that it would be used to create server infrastructure necessary for the storage increase either. With that being said that video was from 2+ years ago and who knows what may or may not have changed in that time frame. We don't have any information about exactly what S-E spends the FFXIV profits on so any opinion we have is just conjuncture and I for one don't see too much to worry about (yet).

    I don't really want to get into the the main thread discussion too much - to me I just see a lot of hyperbolic rhetoric and faulty logic being applied with real world examples that make me roll my eyes. I'm personally impartial towards cash shop as it has no positive or negative effect on me though I do have the opinion that I don't feel $7 is not too much for an emote either - my only complaint to that being it should be account wide and not single character. But it is a one time fee so comparing it to a monthly subscription seems kinda silly to me. If you play your character for a year, your $7 effectively translates into $0.58 / month and just keeps getting better from there.

    I care more about game balance and job balance in some regards - oh and making an official parser =D *Prepares flame shield*
    Ah okay, while I have no doubts the cash shop is valuable to SE both to give Yoshida more power to argue for more money but also for the company as a whole (investors want that sweet money lol) - it's difficult to say what without them telling us what they do with it... So I took the response as a "proof they're using money for inventory" and was like.. well.. maybe not? lol. It is proof they consider the shop helpful however.

    IMO, besides that I generally don't like cash shops, SE just needs to tighten their ship and fix their delivery. In a lot of other MMOs that have it together you can't readily lose your purchase as there are commands to get them back (wtf is this lose your $20 wedding bangle thing? lol), stuff is account wide, there are processes to unban your account easily if a bunch of accidental credit card denials happen (like WoW, if your credit card gets silly - in FFXIV you have to hope a thread on reddit explodes, that's not acceptable). "But this MMO lets you throw $100 down without getting anything!" ... -_- yea that's a good system, lets put that everywhere!! lol.

    As well for an MMO that likes the cash shop they should consider EQ sort of earn cash shop money via your sub, that'd probably lower tension around it (lower not remove). So say you could buy the moogle mount if you subscribed for 6 months, which would be a very hopefully feature in the defense of unique items in the shop (I'm thinking SE side, "nothing we add cannot be obtained through regular participation in our game~!"). Or consider something more like Wild Star where the last time I looked, nearly every single item in the cash shop can also be obtained by playing and not paying extra (there was an in game cash shop currency or something).

    SE could make their cash shop significantly more acceptable if they want, for morale, and perhaps for more income (if you had the choice of getting 4 trees for $12 I bet quite a few more purchases would be made, vs 1 for $5, with the ID tag of LotR added as well). Making it feel less clunky and friendly would shut down forum fights more often and to SE's benefit (as I've seen on other games where the CS isn't so, the forums would usually come to the defense of the company instead against the shop).

    Imo, $7 for an emote is too much, it should be like $3 but I think if they had a currency on sub thing more people would not care about the price (within reason, $50 emote? gtfo lol).

    A random quip would be that I think their cash shop looks disorganized with a non-AAA tier presentation, a rather pointless issue but yeah haha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I care more about game balance and job balance in some regards - oh and making an official parser =D *Prepares flame shield*
    I agree with an official parser option (NOT CASH SHOP), I'm thinking Mods like WoW, maybe an official mod for PS4 players to easily rely on, but I don't agree that parsers would make people's lives harder like commonly suggested on the forums.

    I already see and know people get excluded because of and in the name of (false reference to) parsers, the difference here is they pick silly wording strategies to basically say "I saw your parse, I don't like it, so I'm going to be rude to you". False reference would be like "I want to leave this party, but don't want to get yelled at too much, so I'll say everyone's DPS sucks" and someone else would assume they're running a parser. I don't think there will be more rude players with parsers, just how you get that information will be /better/ with parsers, you'll at least know if they're full of fake kupo nuts or not. Players will be able to see if they're doing poorly and improve, that'll be the biggest change imo - rude players will still be rude regardless. I mean evidence of this issue is the whole meta Paladin / White Mage treatment, even though we don't have a parser the information from parser is already available and will not change if SE trys to ban them harder, the damage from parsers is already done, lets get the bonuses from them already. It's annoying to me to see them delayed/not added because we already suffer their consequence of more informed meta choices, and people using them in the shadows, so all we're doing now is losing out in the benefits (like better discussions on balance on the offical forms, reliable self improvement, better tips to others, knowing when a rude player is just talking crap and doesn't know their own job).


    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Bah, I've seen much worse =p Just put away that great Katana and keep going forward =p
    HAI!!! We will wade into the battlefield together and I will prove my honor! "TASTEAH MAI BLADEE!" .. oh wait, wrong game.. W.e!
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    Lets not forget the fact that story skip potions are coming. What better way to tell everyone that we don't want to have to try to keep old content relevant anymore due to our strict vertical system. Oh, but you have to pay $$$ to skip it, were sorry finding groups for it may become even more difficult for you than it already is but at least this way were not forcing you, just inadvertently coercing you to (◕‿◕).
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    It's $7 for an emote that in the past would have been added as a quest reward, and it's not even account-wide. Think about dollar value here, for crying out loud... $7 in the free-to-play game I play takes me a LOT further, and that game didn't start putting basic emotes in the cash shop. PLUS everything is account-wide there.

    Also, this is not a free-to-play game; we already are required to pay a monthly sub to access it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    It's $7 for an emote that in the past would have been added as a quest reward, and it's not even account-wide. Think about dollar value

    Also, this is not a free-to-play game; we already are required to pay a monthly sub to access it.
    But who writes the rules on what a game can and can not do, 7 dollars is a burger and a fry and your local burger joint. In the past month we got what two free emotes for our sub the dote emote for vday and now the new dance.

    So what your saying is its not enough to have gotten those on the house for our sub but we deserve the other two as well yea for something as small as an emote seven dollars is something I would not pay and Im simply not going to if i buy something from the mog its gona be a mount or something which Ive gotten two. I prob paid two months sub for them together 30 bucks but that was my choice the game already provides plenty of mounts for me for my sub. I guess the better question is what can they sale on the mog station for people to just chill, cause Ive seen post about the odin mount whys it on the mog station put it in game. Then the dresses community says put those in the game we pay our sob, and now this an emote after we just got two on the house put that in the game then.

    So basically its just a bunch of anti business people here because look around there are zero sub based games with no cash shop, its hardly any sub games left period. So would you rather the game go free to play and full on cash shop are sale irrelevant things in the mog station to make extra money cause we cant have it both ways. We cant think our 15 dollars a month is gona to be enough for them , and then complain about cash shop, but then on the other hand not want a free to play game. A sub isnt enough in any other game so what makes you think it would be any different on this one. From just doing basic math lets say from our subs alone not counting game purchases 500,000 * 15.00 is only 7.5 million thats not alot in the entertainment world so no our subs isnt enough. And i know thats a stretch cause we dont even have 500 k subs, nor does everyone only pay 15 but its still under 20 million, so cash shop is needed I dont see how anyone doesnt get that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    now this an emote after we just got two on the house put that in the game then.
    "On the house" - NOTHING in this game is free. We are required to pay a sub to access it.

    If FFXIV is going to put increasingly more items in the shop rather than do what they have in the past and release them directly to the game for only our sub fee, then yes - I would prefer they go free-to-play, because I do not agree that they should be able to double-dip as they have.
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