Is our sub fee not enought

[Ama_Hamada]

It not required to function as a crafter, I have all my crafts and gatherers to 60 and use only use one extra retainer on top of the two it already gives.

That does not prove anything. How often do you craft? how much do you sell daily? It is so easy to get to 60, how you use them, is a whole different manner.

I really do hope that was sarcasm?

I am dead serious, I want to know how it will effect "balance" in this game. With the players i seen in top gear, I just do not see it.

[Lexia]

That does not prove anything. How often do you craft? how much do you sell daily? It is so easy to get to 60, how you use them, is a whole different manner.

Crafting and gathering take up a lot of my gameplay cause I don't do raiding. I have 3 specialists and 90% of my gear is made by myself.

[Eclair_Xysha]

I am dead serious, I want to know how it will effect "balance" in this game. With the players i seen in top gear, I just do not see it.

Because end-game content is for people who actually worked for it? Worked... for... it...? Like its not for casuals?

Say it's $40 (or more) for an i270 gear.... You have not worked for that gear. You're buying your way through for power and just did so to beat everyone that hasn't even payed for that gear. Immunity grant. This will enrage so many players in this game. I mean if you think the reaction of some when Yoshi-P made an announcement about a "leveling" potion is bad.... Selling i270 gear to individuals will create an outrage.

Pay to play + Pay to win combinations do not mix.

And yoshi-p talked about why he doesn't want pay to win options but rather pay to glamour.

Do you wanna give me reasons why you think your view is better to maybe enlighten me or have me think about why pay to win is better?

[Kaedan]

Because end-game content is for people who actually worked for it? Worked... for... it...? Like its not for casuals?

Say it's $40 (or more) for an i270 gear.... You have not worked for that gear. You're buying your way through for power and just did so to beat everyone that hasn't even payed for that gear. Immunity grant. This will enrage so many players in this game. I mean if you think the reaction of some when Yoshi-P made an announcement about a "leveling" potion is bad.... Selling i270 gear to individuals will create an outrage.

Pay to play + Pay to win combinations do not mix.

And yoshi-p talked about why he doesn't want pay to win options but rather pay to glamour.

Do you wanna give me reasons why you think your view is better to maybe enlighten me or have me think about why pay to win is better?

Yes, they did. They worked for the money that they used to pay for it.

Just because they didn't work in-game doesn't make their work any less valid. If someone doesn't have the time to play enough to max out their tomes every week and do Dun Scaith or rare hunts, then it's perfectly fair for them to trade time for money. That is reality. Time is money and we trade time for money every day. That's economics and society.

And your accusation that it would be pay to win is false. It would only be pay to win if you couldn't earn the gear normally through playing the game in a reasonable amount of time proportionate to what the cost of the gear would be in real money.

Not saying they should or shouldn't do it... I have no horse in that race and don't care. But there's nothing detrimental or "un-balancing" about it, and definitely not pay to win. It's just trading time for money... which is a daily reality.

[Llus]

Yes, they did. They worked for the money that they used to pay for it.

Just because they didn't work in-game doesn't make their work any less valid. If someone doesn't have the time to play enough to max out their tomes every week and do Dun Scaith or rare hunts, then it's perfectly fair for them to trade time for money. That is reality. Time is money and we trade time for money every day. That's economics and society.

And your accusation that it would be pay to win is false. It would only be pay to win if you couldn't earn the gear normally through playing the game in a reasonable amount of time proportionate to what the cost of the gear would be in real money.

Not saying they should or shouldn't do it... I have no horse in that race and don't care. But there's nothing detrimental or "un-balancing" about it, and definitely not pay to win. It's just trading time for money... which is a daily reality.

12 weeks to full i270 set at about 3-4 hours a day ; median salary in the U.S. ~$52k, 50 work weeks ~$1040/week, 40 hours/week ~$26/Hour so around $500/week is a proportional game time:work time value - ok. so shell out $6k on Mog Station for a full i270 set, works for me - I vote yes!

[Kaedan]

12 weeks to full i270 set at about 3-4 hours a day ; median salary in the U.S. ~$52k, 50 work weeks ~$1040/week, 40 hours/week ~$26/Hour so around $500/week is a proportional game time:work time value - ok. so shell out $6k on Mog Station for a full i270 set, works for me - I vote yes!

The industry Time:Value ratio is between $1-3 per hour. Meaning that the price equilibrium for what people are expected to pay to "skip" an hour of acquisition time is ~$2.

It takes roughly an hour a day (20-30 min for tanks), 4 days a week to cap your tomes. It takes about 11 weeks of capping tomes to get a full set of 260.

So 11 weeks * 4 hours per week = 44 hours to earn a full set of 260. Not going to try to calculate how long it takes to earn the raid coins vs rare hunts, so I'm just going to round it off to about 60 hours for a full set of 270.

So 60 hours * $2 = $120 for a full set of 270. Far more than what someone would have to pay in subs and time to earn it in-game

[Llus]

And your accusation that it would be pay to win is false. It would only be pay to win if you couldn't earn the gear normally through playing the game in a reasonable amount of time proportionate to what the cost of the gear would be in real money.

The industry Time:Value ratio is between $1-3 per hour.

Bar lowered much?

[Kaedan]

Bar lowered much?

I don't decide what the Time:Value ratio in regards to the MMO industry is. That's pure economics. Some F2P games only charge $0.80 to skip an hour of acquisition time. Others, like WoW, are closer to $1-2. Some more expensive games are $3-4 per hour. But the industry average is $1-3.