Is our sub fee not enought

[Lexia]

For example, why is 6 retainers (required to function as a crafter right now) costs more then a legacy sub?

It not required to function as a crafter, I have all my crafts and gatherers to 60 and use only use one extra retainer on top of the two it already gives.

[Ama_Hamada]

It not required to function as a crafter, I have all my crafts and gatherers to 60 and use only use one extra retainer on top of the two it already gives.

That does not prove anything. How often do you craft? how much do you sell daily? It is so easy to get to 60, how you use them, is a whole different manner.

I really do hope that was sarcasm?

I am dead serious, I want to know how it will effect "balance" in this game. With the players i seen in top gear, I just do not see it.

[Lexia]

That does not prove anything. How often do you craft? how much do you sell daily? It is so easy to get to 60, how you use them, is a whole different manner.

Crafting and gathering take up a lot of my gameplay cause I don't do raiding. I have 3 specialists and 90% of my gear is made by myself.

[Eclair_Xysha]

I am dead serious, I want to know how it will effect "balance" in this game. With the players i seen in top gear, I just do not see it.

Because end-game content is for people who actually worked for it? Worked... for... it...? Like its not for casuals?

Say it's $40 (or more) for an i270 gear.... You have not worked for that gear. You're buying your way through for power and just did so to beat everyone that hasn't even payed for that gear. Immunity grant. This will enrage so many players in this game. I mean if you think the reaction of some when Yoshi-P made an announcement about a "leveling" potion is bad.... Selling i270 gear to individuals will create an outrage.

Pay to play + Pay to win combinations do not mix.

And yoshi-p talked about why he doesn't want pay to win options but rather pay to glamour.

Do you wanna give me reasons why you think your view is better to maybe enlighten me or have me think about why pay to win is better?

[Kaedan]

Because end-game content is for people who actually worked for it? Worked... for... it...? Like its not for casuals?

Say it's $40 (or more) for an i270 gear.... You have not worked for that gear. You're buying your way through for power and just did so to beat everyone that hasn't even payed for that gear. Immunity grant. This will enrage so many players in this game. I mean if you think the reaction of some when Yoshi-P made an announcement about a "leveling" potion is bad.... Selling i270 gear to individuals will create an outrage.

Pay to play + Pay to win combinations do not mix.

And yoshi-p talked about why he doesn't want pay to win options but rather pay to glamour.

Do you wanna give me reasons why you think your view is better to maybe enlighten me or have me think about why pay to win is better?

Yes, they did. They worked for the money that they used to pay for it.

Just because they didn't work in-game doesn't make their work any less valid. If someone doesn't have the time to play enough to max out their tomes every week and do Dun Scaith or rare hunts, then it's perfectly fair for them to trade time for money. That is reality. Time is money and we trade time for money every day. That's economics and society.

And your accusation that it would be pay to win is false. It would only be pay to win if you couldn't earn the gear normally through playing the game in a reasonable amount of time proportionate to what the cost of the gear would be in real money.

Not saying they should or shouldn't do it... I have no horse in that race and don't care. But there's nothing detrimental or "un-balancing" about it, and definitely not pay to win. It's just trading time for money... which is a daily reality.

[Eclair_Xysha]

Issue! How would it throw THIS game off balance? it is not ffxi, in ffxi I would agree, in ffxiv, I do not see an issue of balance of saying "Here you want a 275 relic? 40 dollars"

I really do hope that was sarcasm?

It not required to function as a crafter, I have all my crafts and gatherers to 60 and use only use one extra retainer on top of the two it already gives.

Man if it functioned as a crafter.... lol

[Ama_Hamada]

I already answered you. Because people get these gear and the skill level of the players on average is not reflective of the effort.

If my friend can consistently outparse like 60% of these top raid geared people in her 260-263 gear, then I do not see why it has to be locked for people unable to find groups for them. Also I am getting sick of the arrogant ones, top geared healers esp, trying to brag about their dps and put everyone down. I am also sick of carrying top geared healers in Dun Scaith who think it is not their job to heal someone when the person makes a mistake in mechanic.

I want to know how people "work" for that kind of gear without perfecting their rotations.

[Eclair_Xysha]

I already answered you. Because people get these gear and the skill level of the players on average is not reflective of the effort.

I want to know how people "work" for that kind of gear without perfecting their rotations.

Well I probably missed it. I am on mobile phone lookin' at this after all, so forgive me!

Just because people are top gear in their current portraying roles, doesn't mean that is their main. They probably got their gears after constant multiple drops of the same ones for weeks. Also, if you are out dpsing people with low gear, that is a bragging right! ((Well don't brag it to them, because they can report you for parsing but you know... gloat about it with peers.)) So you don't really need to buy i270 gear because thats great.

And don't let toxic people let you down. Healers shouldnt put DPS first anyways. Also, that doesnt mean everyone who has end game gear is toxic. I may be retired, but I know for a fact that I was definitely not like that, and I'm sorry that you had to deal with those types of people in game. It's unfortunate.

[Ama_Hamada]

Well I probably missed it. I am on mobile phone lookin' at this after all, so forgive me!

Just because people are top gear in their current portraying roles, doesn't mean that is their main. They probably got their gears after constant multiple drops of the same ones for weeks. Also, if you are out dpsing people with low gear, that is a bragging right! ((Well don't brag it to them, because they can report you for parsing but you know... gloat about it with peers.)) So you don't really need to buy i270 gear because thats great.

And don't let toxic people let you down.Healers shouldnt put DPS first anyways. Also, that doesnt mean everyone who has end game gear is toxic. I may be retired, but I know for a fact that I was definitely not like that, and I'm sorry that you had to deal with those types of people in game. It's unfortunate.

LOl im just a healer, i do not care less except when there is a high geared healer not healing people because they didn't dodge mechanics. I just do not like other people doing it to others, and seeing it. Or healers trying to brag about their DPS.

I do not understand this "might not be their main" thing. Again if they have that gear, they should put effort in looking up rotations. I am not down about it, but point is, there is no "value" in this high gear to me because of the things I see. So therefor there is no balance issues in letting people buy gear anyway. This game is focused on self and does not ruin balance. Now if it was FFXI, or at least FFXI before those weird DL expansions, I would fully agree with you, it would cause balance issues in that game. This one? not so much

[Eclair_Xysha]

I do not understand this "might not be their main" thing. Again if they have that gear, they should put effort in looking up rotations. I am not down about it, but point is, there is no "value" in this high gear to me because of the things I see. So therefor there is no balance issues in letting people buy gear anyway. This game is focused on self and does not ruin balance. Now if it was FFXI, or at least FFXI before those weird DL expansions, I would fully agree with you, it would cause balance issues in that game. This one? not so much

Aah I see now...

For me, it's just... I've been through a lot of games that have options for people to buy gear (f2p and p2p), and it ruined the game for me. It turned into basically a war between people who bought gear and people who didnt and I wasn't really up for that. Went on to FPS for the longest time, and then my S/O took me back to MMORPG's again, aka FFIXV. I find this game pretty fair and balanced imo compared to what I have encountered in the past, and I wouldn't want to even risk of what might happen if it was pay to win all of a sudden. Besides the whole player conflict, I really like this game.

edit: (does this count as still on topic?)