Is our sub fee not enought

[Stormrider]

No, you seem to be the one missing a point. You claim "it has no place in a sub game", and then you fail to provide a rational, logical argument to exactly why you believe that vanity items sold in a cash shop "has no place in a sub game".

Again, we are not entitled to every asset created for the game just by subbing. If they want to create a vanity item (emote, glamour, mount) and incentivize it by making it a cash shop exclusive, then they are well within their rights and expectations as a business.

What you are saying is exactly the same as saying that just because you pay a monthly fee to use the fitness gym, you shouldn't have to pay to rent towels or other convenience items...

The gym comment is funny. I pay for one that includes that in the cost.

To the rationale argument both sides are flimsy since we are missing pertinent information. Maybe the need the money to keep running, but have never said. Or they are padding someones damn pockets and don't want to admit it. Or they are a poorly managed company that bleeds money and need the cash to plug holes.

First for me at least is did sub money pay to make cash shop items? Did the limited team resources get diverted, when they complain they can't hire enough skilled staff.

[Kaedan]

The gym comment is funny. I pay for one that includes that in the cost.

To the rationale argument both sides are flimsy since we are missing pertinent information. First for me at least is did sub money pay to make cash shop items?

Ok, so your gym covers towels. I'm sure they sell other convenience items that aren't covered by your gym membership, which is the point.

And to your second comment, it doesn't matter what sub money goes to. As long as the servers are paid for and they are providing monthly updates, that's all that we are entitled to for our sub money. What they do with any extra money is completely at their discretion, and not any of our business.

Again, that's like saying that money made from gym memberships can only be used to improve the gym and the free services provided, and can't be used to fund another gym or pay dividends to investors... it's illogical and not sound.

[Stormrider]

And to your second comment, it doesn't matter what sub money goes to. As long as the servers are paid for and they are providing monthly updates, that's all that we are entitled to for our sub money. What they do with any extra money is completely at their discretion, and not any of our business.

Monthly updates is the issue. While you can't measure the update. Maybe we don't feel the update is full enough. Then we see resources used else where. I am fine with a company making money. The question is "Do we feel like we got a solid game experience (update) with our monthly sub."

Again all this is arbitrary. A patch with lots of gathering might be awesome for some and not others. But you say we can judge on the updates we get. Seems like a few people feel the two dungeon update isn't enough.