Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[bardaboo]

How many of you supporting OP also support people who refuse to take advice in a dungeon or wear incorrect gear to cheese their ilvl? Just wondering. I roll need/greed on everything because i need gc seals . Plus it's my sub i play how I want.

[Kaurie]

How many of you supporting OP also support people who refuse to take advice in a dungeon or wear incorrect gear to cheese their ilvl? Just wondering. I roll need/greed on everything because i need gc seals . Plus it's my sub i play how I want.

I fail to see the relation? Do you mind elaborating?

[bardaboo]

I fail to see the relation? Do you mind elaborating?

Same excuse..
it's my sub. I'll roll need if i want.
It's my sub I'll wear whatever I want.
Why is it an excuse for some things and not others?

[Kaurie]

Same excuse..
it's my sub. I'll roll need if i want.
It's my sub I'll wear whatever I want.
Why is it an excuse for some things and not others?

It's my sub can be an excuse for any aspect of the game. Are you implying that every opinion that anyone has on any and every feature in the game is identical? If that is the case, what's the purpose of discussion?

[Llus]

Same excuse..
it's my sub. I'll roll need if i want.
It's my sub I'll wear whatever I want.
Why is it an excuse for some things and not others?

It's my sub should never be an excuse for anything.

Mele DPS: It's my sub, I won't hit my positionals if I don't want to.
Ice Mage: It's my sub, I won't cast fire if I don't want to.
Bard: It's my sub, I won't use Foe Req or Mages ballad if I don't want to.
Tank: It's my sub, I won't take aggro if I don't want to.
Healer: It's my sub, I won't DPS if I don't want to.
Entitled player: It's my sub, my sub is more important than your sub.

I don't think there needs to be a change to the need/greed loot system. If you need a piece of gear that you can only greed on because that's not the class you're playing; then come back as that class. Asking people if they can pass on an item because you need it for a secondary usually results in people passing on the gear. You are no more entitled to forcing players to greed an item because they have a higher iLevel than you are for anything else.

This.

If trading an item for currency (gil, seals, whatever) doesn't count as greed, what does? Rolling for the item just to throw it away?

Needing for an item for seals can result in trading those seals needed for a higher iLevel weapon. Is this not the definition of need you quoted?

[Squigley]

Needing for an item for seals can result in trading those seals needed for a higher iLevel weapon. Is this not the definition of need you quoted?

Yes and no. Most probably the situation is such that the other group members are also working for such a goal. In that situation my opinion is that everyone should have an equal chance of getting the item because the type of gear doesn't matter since it's not going to be actually worn by anyone. If a group member doesn't need the currency, there's the pass option.

Edit: I think people are getting too hung up on the word 'Need'. Of course everyone needs those drops, those seals won't just magically appear over time. I wonder if roll behavior would change if the options would be... Um... Wear - Trade - Pass?

[Llus]

Yes and no. Most probably the situation is such that the other group members are also working for such a goal. In that situation my opinion is that everyone should have an equal chance of getting the item because the type of gear doesn't matter since it's not going to be actually worn by anyone. If a group member doesn't need the currency, there's the pass option.

Edit: I think people are getting too hung up on the word 'Need'. Of course everyone needs those drops, those seals won't just magically appear over time. I wonder if roll behavior would change if the options would be... Um... Wear - Trade - Pass?

It's possible - but I'm still of the mind of just ask. I typically check gear levels of other players - so like, when I'm on my MNK and there's another MNK in the party; I'll check their gear and by default go to greed for stuff they could use. If there isn't another player of the same class; I'll roll need unless asked. That's just how I've seen it done in the 3 years I've been playing. Drg: Hey, can I get that striking hat - need it for my MNK. Me: Sure, NP.

[bardaboo]

[QUOTE=Llus;4055542]It's my sub should never be an excuse for anything.

Mele DPS: It's my sub, I won't hit my positionals if I don't want to.
Ice Mage: It's my sub, I won't cast fire if I don't want to.
Bard: It's my sub, I won't use Foe Req or Mages ballad if I don't want to.
Tank: It's my sub, I won't take aggro if I don't want to.
Healer: It's my sub, I won't DPS if I don't want to.
Entitled player: It's my sub, my sub is more important than your sub.

This was my point. I was being facetious. It just seems that the people that complain about other people rolling need on things that are under their ilvl are the same ones who say "it's my sub" as an excuse for poor dps or not trying in dungeons.

[Llus]

This was my point. I was being facetious. It just seems that the people that complain about other people rolling need on things that are under their ilvl are the same ones who say "it's my sub" as an excuse for poor dps or not trying in dungeons.

Yea, i know - i was just trying to add to the point and specifically about the mentality of the "my sub" that's been going on like mad lately.

[Cordie]

As Kaurie mentioned above, by asking people to go in with the class/job that they need the item for (which is obviously undergeared if they need a dungeon item) you are directly adding a burden on 3 other players.

I have been lucky that most of the groups I had would "greed" by default. And my default choice is always greed. The only cases where I would roll need are:
1. I am with a <60 class and I need a green/pink item for an immediate upgrade
2. it's a lv50 duty (esp. raids) and I need the item for glamour
3. someone in the party has rolled "need" on an item just because they could -I'll be damned if I let their greed score them anything for my job.