Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[Derio]

I need for desynth, GC seals and sometimes just for glamour.

[Vivi_Bushido]

I do need it. I need those company seals.

[Underdog2204]

My first 6 months in this game, I would rip into anyone I saw need on something they didn't need, and many (subjectively) others agreed with me. Now, 3 years in, I've just given up. FFXIV players don't have the same outlook as people in other games when it comes to Need/Greed. Not sure why.

Because we do actually "need" it... Tell me how low level gear has no use to capped players before you claim that it works the same in every other game.

I have desynth to level, how is that less valid than leveling another battle class?

You will find when items have zero other use other than for battle classes (like in newer extreme primals) people are more than happy to pass on loot someone else would like for another class. Difference is you cannot trade in these weapons and neither can you desynth them so they have zero other use.

[Khalithar]

At least from my perspective, this is one bizarre deviation from a trend towards otherwise being nicer and more helpful than WoW. While WoW's cultural rules pertaining to loot have become somewhat degraded and more varied over the years due to changes to the rules and the grouping system, originally the generally agreed upon rules were that main spec upgrades took priority over all other gear uses and you should pass or greed if it's not an upgrade in and of itself. Needing to disenchant, vendor, transmog, or for off-spec would generally be frowned upon.

Also I forgot to mention this. That was a big part of the culture in WoW and I played that game for many years, it definitely stuck with me through all this time. Even when I ran my own raid guild and later was a part of others, this was a commonplace rule in everything. That mentality never appeared to develop in this game though, but because of how largely useless and quickly obsolete dungeon drops are compared to WoW, I can understand why.

[vigioX-Sun]

this post makes no sense at all, i mean as a tank full 270 I go into a dungeon an if a tank gear drops i will need it, i just can give it to you for the sake of it, you will stop using it maybe in 2 runs too, craft some gear or buy it with whatever stones we have now, i earn that gear, why should i give it to you?
I will need in everything i can an i will greed on everything too!

[AsahinaMyLove]

No thanks! If Im in a dungeon due "roulete" I take everything I can and/or want!
On higher dungeons mostly for Guild Seals to buy Retainer coins! o_o

[Evumeimei]

I agree. If it's a dungeon from 1-49 there isn't much of a rotation to do. If it's 51-60 maybe I'd see them having a tough time.

I've never seen anyone in my random DF parties kicked for low DPS / bad gear. People make it seem like it happens all the time when it doesn't.

To the OP: As many have said, ask if you can have certain pieces of gear if you want them that badly. You can't go into a random DF dungeon and expect that all gear drops will go to you because your ilvl is low (whether it be on your current job or an alt job). I pass on 95% of gear that drops in dungeons, anyways, but there are still some pieces I want for glamour and, if I'm on that job at the time, I will roll Need.

[seekified]

If you need a particular type of gear, you should run it as a job that can roll Need on that type of gear. There's heaps of ways that "higher-geared players" can use dungeon drops, and we still put in the effort to clear the dungeon.

[Alleo]

I have a friend that collects all dungeon sets and thanks to bad RNG runs some of them forever until he get the last piece. Why exactly is his need way less than yours? Especially since he probably run it more often than you ever do? Also there are more ways for you to get your upgrade. 1: Ask the group nicely if you can have it, most of the time people will not roll on it. 2: Go as the class that you want the gear

Even if everyone can only greed on an item there is still a high chance that you wont get it. Also what if someone else also need it like you, maybe even more? Will you then not roll on it?

I once have gotten yelled at in a 24 man raid. I rolled onto a bard item sometime after the boss died and just a bit later a person asked us if they can have it because they need it on their bard. I wanted to click on "pass" since I already rolled (I liked the glamour look) but that person also rolled at that time so I could not change it anymore..and I got it..He was really angry and saying how I dont even have a bard at that level..I just said that he should have told this a little earlier. Thankfully it was on the last boss thus I could just leave..I mean I truly waited a time after the boss and he really asked much much later.

In another dungeon someone asked from the beginning if they can have the summoner items so I said "sure" and passed on everything that was for the class. People really just need to ask..but please ask at the beginning and not after everyone already rolled.

[Mirateski]

I'm not obliged to check your search info, and that of the other two/six players, as soon as we enter the dungeon, and ask nicely what the ilv of all those off classes is in every slot. The vast, VAST majority of people will happily pass if you just ask nicely for gear.

I mean, I once saw caster gloves drop in 10s and they were won by someone without any caster classes unlocked, when I could have used them for my blm alt. Are we going to remove the option for people without the class to greed, once need has been ruled out? It's silly.

I've rolled Need on non-upgrades maybe like three times ever, and it was for glamour. I've gone into dungeons on tank and asked nicely for aiming upgrades and 90% of the time, people have passed. Even my partner who's levelling desynths through 200+ and Needs on everything she can see would happily pass if someone said they wanted it for actual gearing purposes.

Use your words.