DPS obsession in farm groups

[Dzian]

Most zurvan farm parties tend to be much more vitriolic over parse numbers in a way that i don't really recall being anywhere as near an issue in sophia farms. You could skip a lot of the mechanics in sophia with high dps too. the first tank buster, the mines, a tilt, and the first sin and punishment are skippable in a high dps party. Meanwhile in zurvan I'll get called a bad for doing 1700k average dps with 13k crits (I'm not BiS at all) when we're wiping because other people aren't stacking for southern cross.

It's silly.

Gear seems to be taking bigger and bigger steps as well.. the stat differences between a 270 and 260 piece seem to much bigger than say 230 and 240... which results in bigger gaps in dps still.

it does seem to have gotten a little bit weird recently though when even seph ex bird farms are being set up with i265+ requirements. which basically excludes anyone who doesn't do savage. if you don't do savage the best your likely to be is 264 (based on my pld) pretty sure I haven't missed any weeklys from dun scaith or upgrades...

[Texa]

it does seem to have gotten a little bit weird recently though when even seph ex bird farms are being set up with i265+ requirements. which basically excludes anyone who doesn't do savage. if you don't do savage the best your likely to be is 264 (based on my pld) pretty sure I haven't missed any weeklys from dun scaith or upgrades...

That reminds me I ran into someone who was very aggressively talking down on me for having lower dps than they did in a gubal hard mode lore farm.

Their dps was great! They had a 275 alex weapon! But oh my gosh it's a lore farm. He kept begging the party for compliments and then got all "i know my dps was better than a mediocre smn" and I just left at that point.

A big reason that I haven't been running savage is because attitudes like that wear me out. It seems like a lot of them are getting bored with a9s-a12s now and bleeding out into every mundane thing in ff xiv instead of just playing a different game for a while.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

You're surprised people want to farm something fast?, more deeps means faster clears and fast clears mean more chance at getting a bird drop.

[CookieMonsta]

That reminds me I ran into someone who was very aggressively talking down on me for having lower dps than they did in a gubal hard mode lore farm.

Their dps was great! They had a 275 alex weapon! But oh my gosh it's a lore farm. He kept begging the party for compliments and then got all "i know my dps was better than a mediocre smn" and I just left at that point.

A big reason that I haven't been running savage is because attitudes like that wear me out. It seems like a lot of them are getting bored with a9s-a12s now and bleeding out into every mundane thing in ff xiv instead of just playing a different game for a while.

Did you AoE the adds appropriately? Everyone expects SMN to be top DPS when there are 3 or more adds because of Tri-disaster + Bane + Deathflare. Its nothing to do with the weapon, you can still parse highest with 240 gear. While I admit, that particular fool was a dick but it doesn't mean you shouldn't examine your own plays.

You're surprised people want to farm something fast?, more deeps means faster clears and fast clears mean more chance at getting a bird drop.

There are so many luddites on this thread we may as well not bother.

[Texa]

Did you AoE the adds appropriately? Everyone expects SMN to be top DPS when there are 3 or more adds because of Tri-disaster + Bane + Deathflare. Its nothing to do with the weapon, you can still parse highest with 240 gear. While I admit, that particular fool was a dick but it doesn't mean you shouldn't examine your own plays.

Of course I did, I main SMN and I have a 2000-2100 average in gubal usually. My runs there typically take about 12 minutes. That dude was mad the party lead asked for 2 ranged in in the pf when he wanted to run on monk.

My parse is lower in Zurvan because I time my rotation so that I can burn as much as I possibly can when I know I won't have to run around for a lot of mechanics or when he's about the jump off the field. This will leave me with very little mp until I have another aether stack to mp drain through before adds and the second soar though, equaling a decent amount of time of me relying on Garuda for damage. This is also not account for times I run out of mp res-ing other party members to avoid a wipe. So generally people who don't know my strategy there will just look at the parse and see the lower overall end-fight average and think I'm playing bad.

[Welsper59]

You're surprised people want to farm something fast?, more deeps means faster clears and fast clears mean more chance at getting a bird drop.

There are so many luddites on this thread we may as well not bother.

Always a sad state of affairs when people defend ridiculous and hostile complaints about a difference of a few minutes to a fights clear time, even if that means having to put a bit more effort into a mindless routine. Your time is not as important as you think it is if you're wasting it being on this forum or playing the game.

[ToasterMan]

Always a sad state of affairs when people defend ridiculous and hostile complaints about a difference of a few minutes to a fights clear time, even if that means having to put a bit more effort into a mindless routine. Your time is not as important as you think it is if you're wasting it being on this forum or playing the game.

Yup, there's a bunch of people on this forum that act like it's a crime if you cause them to spend an extra couple of minutes in a dungeon. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Some of them try to guilt trip you for it too, like I'm ACTUALLY suppose to feel sorry for them for spending an extra couple of minutes doing expert. Seriously, give me a break.

I think this DPS meta is a big problem and I hope SE does something about it come the next expansion. I mean, I know DPS is important, but it's gotten out of control. Offense should not be the only thing the game emphasizes.

[Jim_Berry]

While I understand and tend to agree with your statement.

Zurvan specifically is so broke that high dps actually allows you to skip so much of his mechanics that when you don't have high DPS general cross-party finder groups fail due to not knowing rudimentary soar mechanics. Mostly because they probably haven't run into it, with the exception of the last soar that the tank probably used limit break on.

Then add the fact that Cross-Party finder is a godsend for DPS, where they can literally just hop from one party to the next. With very little delay, the attitude have always been there, but was previously held in check with the vagueness of Duty Finder.

I find it disturbing, because if Soar isn't skipped, but YOU know Soar's mechanics and they don't, you are still bashed for low DPS, although you, the tank, and the healer(s) continue to survive it. It seem that the PF creator is usually a DPS, and s/he expects everyone to go above and beyond.

Sometimes, I noticed said DPS aren't even baiting the aoes in phase 1 when the platforms are falling.

*EDIT*
One reason I chose to become a tank and healer is because I grew tired of feeling like crap when I couldn't push out high dps. That moment when an iLv242 NIN does more damage than my iLv253 NIN, I knew I had to retire that job.

[RLofOBFL]

That's why I main PLD...unbelievably easy rotation for acceptable damage.

DPS have like no responsibilities until they hit end game & suddenly it's like they too many. I am terrified to join farm parties for fear of ridicule. I know I can do good on dummies but in actual fights I have no idea what the PF people expect of me. Oh no I did 900 instead of 2000 & I get booted...that sounds simple but that messes with my emotions & it makes me feel like trash.

[CookieMonsta]

Yup, there's a bunch of people on this forum that act like it's a crime if you cause them to spend an extra couple of minutes in a dungeon. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Some of them try to guilt trip you for it too. Like I'm suppose to feel sorry for them for spending an extra couple of minutes doing expert.

You misunderstand, its not a crime to take minutes longer to finish a dungeon. Its a crime to not give a shit about trying then trying to justify it.