PLD, WAR, & DRK balancing ideas

[Dzian]

for paladin they either need to change the entire games dps or gtfo meta to make defsive choices viable and actually desirable...
or they need to rework paladin into an offensive tank.... becase defence is just laughable...

you could pretty much just change 1 skill. divine veil. instead of having that as a buff that shields the entire party. make it offensive make it a divine buff to the parties attack power / attack magic power, and suddenly you'd find a lot of people looking at paladins... even if it worked by oath. shield oath you get the shield effect sword oath you get the attack power......

paladin would be instantly more desirable even with that one change. wouldn't even matter how much of an attack power boost it actually was.

either paladins need to move into a more offensive role, or the game needs to move into a more defensive meta than dps or gtfo

[Llus]

for paladin they either need to change the entire games dps or gtfo meta to make defsive choices viable and actually desirable...
or they need to rework paladin into an offensive tank.... becase defence is just laughable...

you could pretty much just change 1 skill. divine veil. instead of having that as a buff that shields the entire party. make it offensive make it a divine buff to the parties attack power / attack magic power, and suddenly you'd find a lot of people looking at paladins... even if it worked by oath. shield oath you get the shield effect sword oath you get the attack power......

paladin would be instantly more desirable even with that one change. wouldn't even matter how much of an attack power boost it actually was.

either paladins need to move into a more offensive role, or the game needs to move into a more defensive meta than dps or gtfo

I seriously doubt that will happen. That meta has been around since 2.x and would require HUGE changes to implement. It will be easier and better for the entire community to simply give PLDs the offensive skills they need.
A change like that to divine veil would almost certainly make PLD the new go-to tank and groups would suddenly say PLD or GTFO. I agree, PLD needs help but it needs balanced improvements so that there's not this constant BiS party comp that excludes classes (MNK, PLD, WHM). SE needs to rethink these roles to make them, not just viable but, desirable with any party comp of 2 tank, 2 heal, 2 mele, 2 ranged

[Dzian]

I seriously doubt that will happen. That meta has been around since 2.x and would require HUGE changes to implement. It will be easier and better for the entire community to simply give PLDs the offensive skills they need.
A change like that to divine veil would almost certainly make PLD the new go-to tank and groups would suddenly say PLD or GTFO. I agree, PLD needs help but it needs balanced improvements so that there's not this constant BiS party comp that excludes classes (MNK, PLD, WHM). SE needs to rethink these roles to make them, not just viable but, desirable with any party comp of 2 tank, 2 heal, 2 mele, 2 ranged

oh no no I'm not saying it would happen. I was more saying any kind of defensive buffs to the job would just be lolled at if the meta doesn't change.

it would be the same as giving a whm even more powerfull heals in 4.0.... even something like aoe benediction... they'd just get lolled at cos still no dps......

my divine veil thing wasn't that well thought out to be honest it was just a quick example of how any kind of offensive utility would make pld more desirable. yet a hundred defensive buffs the job would still be a joke

[Llus]

oh no no I'm not saying it would happen. I was more saying any kind of defensive buffs to the job would just be lolled at if the meta doesn't change.

it would be the same as giving a whm even more powerfull heals in 4.0.... even something like aoe benediction... they'd just get lolled at cos still no dps......

my divine veil thing wasn't that well thought out to be honest it was just a quick example of how any kind of offensive utility would make pld more desirable. yet a hundred defensive buffs the job would still be a joke

Yea, defensive CDs - unless there's a major shift in the tanking meta - won't help at all. Some changes to existing buffs would be great, but overall more DPS and synergy with DRK is called for. For example, reprisal - procs a reset for more DPS, low blow procs a reset for more DPS; but PLD that procs an activation of shield swipe gets changed to a long CD instead of simply making it an off GCD. Hell, get rid of the timer on that one skill alone and and PLD DPS would shoot through the roof in a MT position. Give swipe a useful PvE debuff like blunt resist down (shield lob, swipe and bash should all be blunt damage anyway) and watch the people start making PLD & MNK comp groups again with an option of DRK OR WAR.