Kicked from DR Leveling because I don't slot Protect for low level dungeons?

[worldofneil]

The game was created with the cross class system so that players could pick and choose which skills they wanted. The community realized that Cleric Stance is objectively the best option. Therefore, they are picking and choosing CS over useless level 19 Protect.

And yet as others have pointed out we have the ability to do both with just a bit of swapping at the beginning.

Protect may only save a few points damage at lower levels, but to not use it at all is simply lazy.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

And yet as others have pointed out we have the ability to do both with just a bit of swapping at the beginning.

Protect may only save a few points damage at lower levels, but to not use it at all is simply lazy.

lol The healer is lazy because he is not casting a spell that makes their job a tiny bit easier. really???

Hmmm technically it makes their job a tiny tiny bit harder. Seeing a healer come in with cleric instead of protect would actually make me think "nice this person knows how to dps and heal, as they feel confident to run a dungeon without protect"

[worldofneil]

lol The healer is lazy because he is not casting a spell that makes their job a tiny bit easier. really???

Well yes... you summed it quite well there.

They could be doing something additional which would be beneficial. How beneficial it would be is debatable and I'll give you that, but they're choosing not to do it, that's lazy.

[Saito_S]

Well yes... you summed it quite well there.

They could be doing something additional which would be beneficial. How beneficial it would be is debatable and I'll give you that, but they're choosing not to do it, that's lazy.

No it's not.

The definition of "lazy" is "does not want to do work." If you cast Protect, then switch out for Cleric's Stance... you have to stand around for a minute... not doing work.
People are COMPLAINING about being forced to stand around and do nothing and wait and not contribute for one minute if they bother to swap skills, and you're calling that "lazy"? lol

Protect doesn't mean squat in Satasha, Tam-Tara, and Copperbell. The math has been laid out; the benefit is so miniscule as to almost be non-existent. It does not matter one whit whether you have that or CS in those dungeons. If you insist that a healer MUST use protect, and kick them if they don't, or insinuate that they're being a bad healer or a detriment to their party, you're wrong. Hell, if the healer is good - no, not "good", just even remotely competent because we're talking about the starter dungeons - at balancing healing and DPS and using CS, the run will go by much more smoothly and much more easily, with less damage taken by the tank or anyone else, with CS than Protect.

And no if I go back and heal those dungeons as an AST or SCH, I am not going to do the silly swap thing and stand around for one minute booksmacking while I wait for my skills to come up. Sweet Shiva, it's literally less then 10 damage per hit. It does not matter. Now, if someone else really wants to cross-class Protect instead, or do the swap, then hey, that's fine. Not gonna give anyone any crap for it. Obviously I don't agree with giving Protect the priority, but since it IS the starter dungeons we're talking about here, the lack of CS isn't exactly going to make or break the experience, either.

But to see people in here calling it lazy or bad or whatever to not always use Protect in those three (three! In the entire game! Three super-easy dungeons, out of like fifty!) loleasy lowbie dungeons... wow. I've seen some nonsense on this board, but... wow.

[worldofneil]

If you cast Protect, then switch out for Cleric's Stance... you have to stand around for a minute... not doing work.

At most you miss out on doing dps on *ONE* group of mobs and in return you've added a defensive spell to the entire party that lasts 30 minutes.

But hey if you want to do that, that's up to you. I won't kick you for it, but I certainly won't give you a commendation for not casting the most basic defensive spell that us healers have.

[Saito_S]

Since I started writing this post, others have pointed out what I wanted to get at: WHAT buff? That's the point. It's almost nonexistent.

As for me "already having made up my mind" - I've already made it clear that if someone wants to slot in Protect rather than CS, than hey, go for it. Not gonna berate anyone. You do you.

But the animosity started from YOUR side of this debate. You called us lazy. Others said we're bad healers and don't care about our party, for not using Protect in Satasha. Hell, this thread stared because someone got kicked for it! All of which is absurd.

And the proof is in the numbers: Protect does almost nothing. Literally 3-4 points of HP per attack is different! So it's less that this thread has reached this many pages because people aren't wanting to cast a spell that will add some defense, but people not wanting to waste time (sure it's just a minute but when you have to literally stand there doing NOTHING, 60 seconds feels like kind of a long time) on a spell that does almost nothing. And some others - including yourself - trying to tell us it's not okay to do so.

So eh. You're probably right in that this thread is longer than it needs to be, but this whole idea just got under my skin because it's so ridiculous. 3-4 points of damage per attack is not worth kicking, withholding a comm, or insulting people's commitment to their party or role.

EDIT: I'm replying to worldofneil, but the quote tags got screwed up while I was editing.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

If you cast Protect, then switch out for Cleric's Stance... you have to stand around for a minute...

Swapping out a gcd action for a nongcd action doesn't incur a penalty. Swapping a nongcd for a gcd does.

Some people... so, if you refuse to use clerics, is it fine for me to not use Huton? After all, it's SUUUUUUCH a pain to keep up and it clearly doesn't do anything. /s

Do your job first and foremost, don't shirk it cause you don't wanna click one extra button.

[Dualgunner]

Swapping out a gcd action for a nongcd action doesn't incur a penalty. Swapping a nongcd for a gcd does.

Some people... so, if you refuse to use clerics, is it fine for me to not use Huton? After all, it's SUUUUUUCH a pain to keep up and it clearly doesn't do anything. /s

Do your job first and foremost, don't shirk it cause you don't wanna click one extra button.

You can huton in Sastasha while synched?