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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Except that equipment plays no factor in the RNG, for crafting at least.

    Your failure rate on a level 1 recipe is the same in full HQ ironworks as in level 1 equipment.
    With HQ ironwork you will get the chance for HQ to 100% without any trouble. Who would fail to get a HQ from a lv1 recipe with that equip?
    The equip play a role, because the better the equip the easier it is to get 100% or at least to come really near that 100%
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    Last edited by Felis; 02-13-2017 at 01:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    With HQ ironwork you will get the chance for HQ to 100% without any trouble. Who would fail to get a HQ from a lv1 recipe with that equip?
    The equip play a role, because the better the equip the easier it is to get 100% or at least to come really near that 100%
    I think maybe she was talking about quick synthesis, BUT... even if so that was changed with patch 3.5 as well. From the patch notes:

    "The difficulty for synthesizing HQ items using Quick Synthesis has been reduced.

    Higher gear attributes in relation to the recipe's difficulty will increase your chances of crafting HQ items."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    I think maybe she was talking about quick synthesis, BUT... even if so that was changed with patch 3.5 as well. From the patch notes:
    I don't know why anyone would use quick synth anyways unless they don't care what quality item they get. Going to have a bad time if expecting lot of HQ items from quick synth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexia View Post
    I don't know why anyone would use quick synth anyways unless they don't care what quality item they get. Going to have a bad time if expecting lot of HQ items from quick synth.
    Oh I agree, I only use it for mass crafts that I don't care what quality they end up... but that is (was) the only way gear had no effect on rate of HQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    The equip play a role [...]
    It does play a role, but it does not play a role in RNG. Your equipment will never increase your chance to successfully increase progress or quality. It only affects by how much you increase progress or quality if you succeed. If you do not succeed in the first place, you might as well be naked.

    That's what I'm getting at. No matter what equipment you have, your skills always have the exact same chance to succeed. Hence, your equipment has no bearing on RNG. RNG is independent.
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    Last edited by Zojha; 02-13-2017 at 02:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    It does play a role, but it does not play a role in RNG. Your equipment will never increase your chance to successfully increase progress or quality. It only affects by how much you increase progress or quality if you succeed. If you do not succeed in the first place, you might as well be naked.
    And increased quality will increase the chance for HQ.
    Better equip = better quality increase = better chance for HQ (at 100% a guaranteed HQ)


    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    That's my entire point. The game is played by humans, not robots. It should have RNG that humans see and think "yeah, that's what should have happened". Not RNG that humans see and think "why is this so broken?"
    So breaking the RNG to make it look less broken?
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    Last edited by Felis; 02-13-2017 at 02:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    So breaking the RNG to make it look less broken?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    fake RNG and add a streak breaker so the outcome better matches our expectations
    That's about what I said, yeah. Other games use streak breakers to prevent players from getting frustrated with RNG that doesn't reflect their expectations, like not getting 9 out of 10 on a 90% chance.
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