"At the moment we are working to get rid of the gender lock for bunny suits for men."

[Texa]

One is wearing proper clothing for their gender, the other is not.

did u kno both male and female rabbits have ears?

[Adire]

did u kno both male and female rabbits have ears?

This thread is about the bunny suit in case you didn't know. If it was just the ears, I'd have no problem with it.

Edit: Last post of the day, hit my limit.

Uh... Felicia... you did not just go there.




This is a sidequest in the game.

Uh...if you had read a little more, you'd see that I have acknowledged numerous times that crossdressing is in the game as comedy. Occasionally, as comedy . Not frequently to be taken seriously, which is what some people seem to want.

Hildebrand also breaks from the game in many ways, almost always in a comedic way. This is no different.

No. I'm saying it's just as ludicrous to say men can't wear pink because it isn't masculine, as it is to require male players to play only male characters, and female players to only play female characters.

I am making assumptions that you're a man who is uncomfortable with male characters wearing "feminine" gear.

I don't have a problem with men wearing pink. Men in pink clothes obviously designed for a woman and to compliment a woman's body is what bothers me. Men in any color of clothes designed for women bothers me actually.

That's also absurd....I have no problem with people choosing to play as the opposite gender, and that has nothing to do with crossdressing. If someone wants to play as a male, they should embrace clothes aesthetically designed for males. Playing a male to dress like a female is counterintuitive and I imagine it's something only a minority of people do or find attractive.

You really shouldn't assume though. If womens' voting patterns in the recent election in the US didn't convince you that we're capable of being at least somewhat conservative in certain ways, I don't know what would. If an interest in crossdressing is something we looked for in men in the majority, maybe it would be more accepted worldwide. But it's not. I wonder why?

I find a man with masculinity attractive and/or comfortable to be around. I do not find a man with feminity and dressed as such attractive, only uncomfortable to be around. Is it weird to be that way as a woman nowadays or something? Good to know that being hetero-normative is unprecedented around here.

yes i know, and currently dudes can walk around in just a speedo if they so please, and many do. there's like 5 of those and dozens of suits. the only thing that they currently don't have is the ears. this entire thing really just boils down to ears. which both sexes of rabbits have. rabbit ears are gender neutral. dressing slutty is gender neutral. i go into potd in my undies. i will run it in my undies with the rabbit ears once the boy avatars can too so we can have fun while you continue salt farming over a silly argument in the forums.

There's a big difference. Most of the skimpy outfits for men in this game are clearly designed for men or are at least unisex. A man in a speedo is a man in skimpy men's clothing. A man in a bikini (i.e. with the top) with high heels is a man in skimpy women's clothing. Big difference.

I think the bunny suit people have in mind for men here involves fishnets, maybe heels, frilly sleeves, a bunny tail....etc, right? That's by all standards very feminine. A butler-like suit as someone mentioned would not be and would be acceptable to me.

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Ah yes, the good old "Your opinion is different than mine so you must be trolling" shtick.

How can I explain in a way that's more simple. A scantily clad female in clothes designed for a female is a different beast from a scantily clad male in clothes designed for a female. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges, especially since one generally makes a lot of people uncomfortable while the other does not. Snowmen outfits and the like are no different from mascots. Shouldn't make you uncomfortable unless you have some kind of mild phobia to it.

Also, this is Raubahn:



As you can see, his "skirt" is akin to what a Gladiator or warrior from the Roman era would wear with a clearly masculine design. Not at all feminine, just historically masculine. Appropriate for his gender for the setting. A guy in a tight, frilly, actually feminine looking, etc miniskirt with fishnet stockings would not be. It would be feminine clothes on a male by both modern and historical standards.

The outfit the huntmaster wears has the appearance of a shaman of sorts. Also historically masculine or unisex.

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The problem is that the more stuff like this is added, the more people like myself (which again, I would say are the majority if real life and MMO culture are anything to go by) will be bothered by it as it becomes more and more prevalent. We can't exactly hide people's characters from our view. Overdoing these things comes at a cost to any player who would prefer not to see it happen.

[Texa]

This thread is about the bunny suit in case you didn't know. If it was just the ears, I'd have no problem with it.

yes i know, and currently dudes can walk around in just a speedo if they so please, and many do. there's like 5 of those and dozens of suits. the only thing that they currently don't have is the ears. this entire thing really just boils down to ears. which both sexes of rabbits have. rabbit ears are gender neutral. dressing slutty is gender neutral. i go into potd in my undies. i will run it in my undies with the rabbit ears once the boy avatars can too so we can have fun while you continue salt farming over a silly argument in the forums.

[Texa]

There's a big difference. Most of the skimpy outfits for men in this game are clearly designed for men or are at least unisex. A man in a speedo is a man in skimpy men's clothing. A man in a bikini (i.e. with the top) with high heels is a man in skimpy women's clothing. Big difference.

I think the bunny suit people have in mind for men here involves fishnets, maybe heels, frilly sleeves, a bunny tail....etc, right? That's by all standards very feminine. A butler-like suit as someone mentioned would not be and would be acceptable to me.

they want this

with bunny ears.

they already have frilly sleeves and heels, but fishnets for men would also be nice. men should be able to look like Dr. Frank N. Furter if they want to. we already have shirts, earrings, and necklaces for men that would work with that. i support this cause that was wonderful thinking.

[Nirokun]

That's also absurd....I have no problem with people choosing to play as the opposite gender, and that has nothing to do with crossdressing. If someone wants to play as a male, they should embrace clothes aesthetically designed for males. Playing a male to dress like a female is counterintuitive and I imagine it's something only a minority of people do or find attractive.

You really shouldn't assume though. If womens' voting patterns in the recent election in the US didn't convince you that we're capable of being at least somewhat conservative in certain ways, I don't know what would. If an interest in crossdressing is something we looked for in men in the majority, maybe it would be more accepted worldwide. But it's not. I wonder why?

I find a man with masculinity attractive and/or comfortable to be around. I do not find a man with feminity and dressed as such attractive, only uncomfortable to be around. Is it weird to be that way as a woman nowadays or something? Good to know that being hetero-normative is unprecedented around here.

Why is it that somehow you get to draw the line on what is acceptable, and what is not?

Why is it acceptable for a man to assume the appearance of a female in a virtual world, which is nothing like him in the real world, but there's something wrong with a man playing dress-up in a videogame with a male character? The former man even answering to a woman's name? How does that fly with you?

You know, kids play dress-up worldwide because clothes are clothes. Some people like to wear things I would never wear, but if it makes them happy and all the necessary bits are covered to maintain a level of decency, what's the harm? You really ONLY have to worry about representing yourself, what other people do, so long as it isn't harmful to others, is none of your business. You have no moral ground to dictate what others can and cannot do. The world's-a-changin'.

I certainly hold conservative views, if that matters. I'm a very traditional person, but I also recognize that what happens outside of my life is none of my business. You should have learned to mind your own business when you were young, it's really nothing new. What other people wear in a videogame, so long as it isnt damaging to the franchise (a certain thread about job-specific gear comes to mind), be it a gag or not, is none of your business.

Whether or not you find a feminine man palatable, again, is none of your business. Here's an easy question to help you:

"Am I involved with this person enough to make decisions on their behalf (young child, significant other, elderly parents)?"

If the answer is yes, go make decisions in their best interests. If not, mind your business.

[Serilda]

I find a man with masculinity attractive and/or comfortable to be around. I do not find a man with feminity and dressed as such attractive, only uncomfortable to be around. Is it weird to be that way as a woman nowadays or something? Good to know that being hetero-normative is unprecedented around here.

Some people do glamour that way so please feel free to hang around them, or make a character which perfectly suits your aesthetic. We're all different, and the game gives us the tools to express our personal tastes in many different ways. This has nothing to do with oppressing you for being heteronormative at all; you voluntarily came into a thread clearly described in its topic (for once!) and started flaming everyone for asking for something the game's team explicitly already told us we could have. You're the aggressor here.

I think the bunny suit people have in mind for men here involves fishnets, maybe heels, frilly sleeves, a bunny tail....etc, right? That's by all standards very feminine. A butler-like suit as someone mentioned would not be and would be acceptable to me.

I think you will struggle to find a single post in this thread where we ask for an exact carbon copy of the female bunny suits; we all agreed a Chippendale-style 'eye candy for those who like men' costume with the ears would be a perfect fit for this situation (and very, very easy to do). The thing you're arguing against was discussed in the previous dozen iterations of this thread and not here. The fact that this 'masculine bunny' outfit is taking so long in the first place is allegedly because they're trying to make the male equivalent nice and high quality.

Heck, if I want to make myself unappealing to you once I have bunny ears I can use the game's countless existing high heels, frilly sleeves, tight stockings and skirts for men to make a daring outfit any time I like. Bunny ears and tails are inherently neither male nor female in the first place so I'm just going to ignore the fact that those were even listed.

Now, I did separately mention that if the girls got an Edda dress too I would expect something as well, even if it was the Edda dress for men. I stand by that. I can make parts of that outfit work, for sure. However, if they want to make a male gothic-style fashion outfit instead, I am 100% happy with that solution. What I am most definitely not happy about is continually lagging behind players with female characters on glamour for reasons which make absolutely no sense (S-E is generally speaking very inclusive and cool about this stuff).

Ah yes, the good old "Your opinion is different than mine so you must be trolling" shtick.

It's more like 'you come in here to derail a perfectly reasonable thread requesting a status update on a topic that has been discussed before by telling us all we're all perverts and unsightly'. If that isn't trolling, it's difficult to know what is. If you irrationally detest men wearing frilly clothes so much, please make a separate thread about that and let this one serve its intended purpose for status updates on the promised Gold Saucer costume for men. It's already happening so the time for telling us we're a minority of sick freaks has long passed.

Not at all feminine, just historically masculine. Appropriate for his gender for the setting. A guy in a tight, frilly, actually feminine looking, etc miniskirt with fishnet stockings would not be. It would be feminine clothes on a male by both modern and historical standards.

The outfit the huntmaster wears has the appearance of a shaman of sorts. Also historically masculine or unisex.

If we're going historical, all of these things have been famously worn by men from major cultures across the world and been perfectly acceptable, either now or in the past:

Skirts of all lengths (still worn today in many cultures)
Frills (likewise)
Ruffs
Thongs
Robes ('dresses' to some)
Ribbons
Stockings
High-heeled shoes
Bows
Patent leather
Costumes based on animals (e.g. bunny ears)
Shorts like the ones we were actually asking for in this thread before you started putting words into our mouths
The colour pink

If we're going to block male characters from all skirts and frills, may I suggest gender locking all non-skirts/non-dresses away from those with female characters so we can all live in some kind of strictly gender-normative dystopia together?

Oh, but women are allowed to wear trousers and suits in your culture today, right? Too bad, in many others the sight of a woman in a suit (let alone a bikini) would cause mass outrage at worst, or conservatives reaching for their smelling salts at best. Your culture is not the culture of the entire world. And it's certainly not the culture of Eorzea, where a man can be legitimately expected to wear the Darkhold caster top with skimpy boxer shorts while levelling, or sculpted tights and halfrobes which leave nothing to the imagination; neither really fits a rugged, masculine aesthetic. The Void Ark healing set looks like a wedding dress, the Demon set of healing from CT makes it look as though I have curves in all of the right places (for a woman), and I'm not even going to start on the Shiva-inspired Lore set on a man, with its nipple-covering silver star and stiletto ankle boots. The BLM 2.x PVP gear is a highly eroticised design with fetish high heels and a navel-baring lace top, while the WHM/AST/SCH/SMN versions are all stunning ball gowns. We have fetish thigh-high stockings men can wear (tank only) and a dyeable glamour mini skirt which looks far more like a school uniform fashion item than something a gladiator would wear. The SMN Esoteric set gives every single Lalafell in the game an uninhibited view of my pants and toned upper thighs, and transforms into sexy blue leg ribbons if I remove the shoes. The AST Esoteric set is a dress and a veil which was deliberately designed to invoke a feminine aesthetic (source: notes in the official artbook for HW). Male players with male characters have often moaned that it's nigh impossible to play a caster or healer without being decked in lace and frills from head to toe. Is it any wonder we're confused when a handful of items are arbitrarily held back to honour imaginary gender norms?

You are straight up playing the wrong game if you don't want any guys to be able to wear girly-looking clothes. And you're in the wrong place if you want to complain. We just want the bunny outfit we were told was coming. Thanks.