"At the moment we are working to get rid of the gender lock for bunny suits for men."

[Adire]

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Au Ra easily pass for a small framed adult female, or at least of age. Lalafell are different enough looking from humans to be easily distinguishable from them, though I see your point there. Justifying one thing that bothers people by using another thing that bothers people is pointless though. Crossdressing is a completely different issue.

Public crossdressing is frowned upon in most societies and is typically only done for comedic purposes because it makes the majority of people uncomfortable to some degree. It's also not something people who are bothered by can do anything about either short of closing their eyes. So it does hurt in a way.

There's also the argument of immersion. Men player characters in neon pink skirts and stockings and the like vs not a single NPC that's doing it in a non-comedic way. Crossdressing doesn't fit with the aesthetic of the game at all. In a poppy kind of game? Maybe, but not here.

[Rokke]

There's also the argument of immersion. Men player characters in neon pink skirts and stockings and the like vs not a single NPC that's doing it in a non-comedic way. Crossdressing doesn't fit with the aesthetic of the game at all. In a poppy kind of game? Maybe, but not here.

I dont understand the argument of "my immersion".

A dragon/demon/garlean slaying WoL with a neon purple glowstick of a staff dressed in a bikini (plus a metallic gold pig head) named Princess Partytime or Pizza Crust or Tonka Truck or something equally silly hardly fits the aesthetic of the game either, and it feels like they make up at least 1/4 of the population of Balmung.

[Adire]

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If you know the lore behind glamour, you'd have your answer. Glamour is simply a magical "mask" for clothing, it's not actually what's being worn. So a tank in a bikini for example is actually wearing armor, it's just glamoured by magic to appear as a bikini. So it still fulfills its lore purpose. As for names, I don't really pay much attention to them. If you're truly trying to be immersed, you won't pay much attention to names because your character wouldn't know what someone's name was anyway unless they were told.

Crossdressing however breaks the aesthetic of the game AND makes people genuinely uncomfortable. It's the mere sight of it that does so.

I'm just glad SE doesn't seem to be in a rush to implement this. The silent majority is thankful I'm sure.

[Rokke]

If you know the lore behind glamour, you'd have your answer. Glamour is simply a magical "mask" for clothing, it's not actually what's being worn. So a tank in a bikini for example is actually wearing armor, it's just glamoured by magic to appear as a bikini.

So when the male bunny suit comes out they'll be lore friendly once they're glamoured over armor then. Problem: solved.

[Adire]

So when the male bunny suit comes out they'll be lore friendly once they're glamoured over armor then. Problem: solved.

No, problem not solved, because it breaks the aesthetic of the game because crossdressing is pretty much unseen anywhere other than on players. If it were rampant among NPCs, maybe you'd have an argument. But it's not. There are NPCs in skimpy clothes, some even that do battle. Like the Miqotes in Thanalan. Some of the armor itself that drops is skimpy (like the armor that drops from Darkhold).

Besides, crossdressing is an entirely different thing from skimpy dress. An underdressed warrior is not the same thing as a crossdressed warrior, they're seen by people differently. One is wearing proper clothing for their gender, the other is not.

[Texa]

One is wearing proper clothing for their gender, the other is not.

did u kno both male and female rabbits have ears?

[Adire]

did u kno both male and female rabbits have ears?

This thread is about the bunny suit in case you didn't know. If it was just the ears, I'd have no problem with it.

Edit: Last post of the day, hit my limit.

Uh... Felicia... you did not just go there.




This is a sidequest in the game.

Uh...if you had read a little more, you'd see that I have acknowledged numerous times that crossdressing is in the game as comedy. Occasionally, as comedy . Not frequently to be taken seriously, which is what some people seem to want.

Hildebrand also breaks from the game in many ways, almost always in a comedic way. This is no different.

No. I'm saying it's just as ludicrous to say men can't wear pink because it isn't masculine, as it is to require male players to play only male characters, and female players to only play female characters.

I am making assumptions that you're a man who is uncomfortable with male characters wearing "feminine" gear.

I don't have a problem with men wearing pink. Men in pink clothes obviously designed for a woman and to compliment a woman's body is what bothers me. Men in any color of clothes designed for women bothers me actually.

That's also absurd....I have no problem with people choosing to play as the opposite gender, and that has nothing to do with crossdressing. If someone wants to play as a male, they should embrace clothes aesthetically designed for males. Playing a male to dress like a female is counterintuitive and I imagine it's something only a minority of people do or find attractive.

You really shouldn't assume though. If womens' voting patterns in the recent election in the US didn't convince you that we're capable of being at least somewhat conservative in certain ways, I don't know what would. If an interest in crossdressing is something we looked for in men in the majority, maybe it would be more accepted worldwide. But it's not. I wonder why?

I find a man with masculinity attractive and/or comfortable to be around. I do not find a man with feminity and dressed as such attractive, only uncomfortable to be around. Is it weird to be that way as a woman nowadays or something? Good to know that being hetero-normative is unprecedented around here.

yes i know, and currently dudes can walk around in just a speedo if they so please, and many do. there's like 5 of those and dozens of suits. the only thing that they currently don't have is the ears. this entire thing really just boils down to ears. which both sexes of rabbits have. rabbit ears are gender neutral. dressing slutty is gender neutral. i go into potd in my undies. i will run it in my undies with the rabbit ears once the boy avatars can too so we can have fun while you continue salt farming over a silly argument in the forums.

There's a big difference. Most of the skimpy outfits for men in this game are clearly designed for men or are at least unisex. A man in a speedo is a man in skimpy men's clothing. A man in a bikini (i.e. with the top) with high heels is a man in skimpy women's clothing. Big difference.

I think the bunny suit people have in mind for men here involves fishnets, maybe heels, frilly sleeves, a bunny tail....etc, right? That's by all standards very feminine. A butler-like suit as someone mentioned would not be and would be acceptable to me.

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Ah yes, the good old "Your opinion is different than mine so you must be trolling" shtick.

How can I explain in a way that's more simple. A scantily clad female in clothes designed for a female is a different beast from a scantily clad male in clothes designed for a female. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges, especially since one generally makes a lot of people uncomfortable while the other does not. Snowmen outfits and the like are no different from mascots. Shouldn't make you uncomfortable unless you have some kind of mild phobia to it.

Also, this is Raubahn:



As you can see, his "skirt" is akin to what a Gladiator or warrior from the Roman era would wear with a clearly masculine design. Not at all feminine, just historically masculine. Appropriate for his gender for the setting. A guy in a tight, frilly, actually feminine looking, etc miniskirt with fishnet stockings would not be. It would be feminine clothes on a male by both modern and historical standards.

The outfit the huntmaster wears has the appearance of a shaman of sorts. Also historically masculine or unisex.

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The problem is that the more stuff like this is added, the more people like myself (which again, I would say are the majority if real life and MMO culture are anything to go by) will be bothered by it as it becomes more and more prevalent. We can't exactly hide people's characters from our view. Overdoing these things comes at a cost to any player who would prefer not to see it happen.

[Lukha]

If it were rampant among NPCs, maybe you'd have an argument.

But you don't see NPCs running around in bikinis or wedding dresses, either.

I'm honestly not sure if you're serious at this point or trolling, because the arguments you're presenting have no logical continuity between them.
Skimpy outfits and weird costumes don't break your immersion due to the Glamour System lore, even though we don't see NPCs wearing snowman outfits outside of parody.
Guys in skirts breaks your immersion despite the Glamour System lore, because we don't see male NPCs wearing skirts outside of parody.

You've got two logically equivalent statements there that are somehow coming up with different answers; sounds like the problem is with the person doing the 'math' as it were.

I should also point out that there's at least one prominent male NPC who wears a miniskirt and is completely serious about it - Raubahn, whose teeny tiny kilt is not in any way functionally different from a miniskirt. There's also the Flame Elite loincloth, worn by the male Huntmaster NPC at the Flames HQ, which is a long, bright pink skirt with sexy cutouts around the hips. So even if your argument were consistent, it still wouldn't be correct.

What clothes are these? Specifically the second set as it looks really good

1st set - Sailor Shirt (all classes)
2nd set - Sky Pirate's Coat of Healing (Sky Pirate's Coat of Casting is same model with darker fringe)

Both - Uraeus Skirt (all classes), Orison Thighboots.
Everything dyed Colibiri pink.

[Texa]

But you don't see NPCs running around in bikinis or wedding dresses, either.

you do see them in metallic pigheads though

i'm so glad se cares enough about the lore to deny men bunny ears while npcs have metallic pigheads.

[No2631]

No, problem not solved, because it breaks the aesthetic of the game because crossdressing is pretty much unseen anywhere other than on players.

Actually there is a fair number of female NPCs who cross-dress with a best man's suit, for example. I don't think this line of reasoning is valid, though; and this is coming from someone who doesn't like cross-dressing either. Mage gear quite often has a feminine tint to it, with the hailstorm set for example featuring high heels for men alongside the... less than masculine rest of the gear set.

It's not valid to complain that it's perfectly reasonable for the Warrior of Light to glamour the Emperor's New Set onto himself and not break immersion, when it would break immersion if that very same Warrior of Light glamoured a dress onto his armour. In both cases, the Warrior of Light is dressing in a fiercely a-typical way for the Eorzean world... you'd almost think both would break immersion, or neither would.

"But it's glamour in the first case!!" and it is so in the second case as well. I see no reason why the citizens of Eorzea should look any weirder upon a man in a dress than they should on the pig-headed Lalafell in his underwear.


EDIT:
After looking at your other thread re: repair NPC in dungeons... why wouldn't that break immersion? The dungeons we enter are all dangerous dens of evil. I'm quite sure no one dared enter Haukke Manor when we did, so why would a crafter NPC wander in and set up shop? I think it'd reflect very negatively on the world if its NPCs were looking to make a quick buck out of us trying to infiltrate Nidhogg's Ayrie by setting up shop inside.


Why does the argument for immersion apply to glamours, but not to the location of NPCs? I understand that if someone wants something it's important that you share your opinion on why their wants are undesirable (heavens forbid we let the peasantry enjoy things we don't), but you could stand to be more consistent.