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[Magic-Mal]

"which premade brought the better healers and has more of their BLMs on VOIP to time Cometeor drops". It's like when they took away Cleric Stance because 8 JP WHM Holylol trains were borken as heck in Secure - rather than doing something about multiple Cometeors, the developers tried to create maps where the spaces aren't so enclosed as to allow that to be a viable strategy.

Instead of fixing BLM's Cometeor they should instead just remove the ability to go premade already and no one will ever have a problem.

Premades are fun and all but it's also not fun standing no chance. It's not fair in the slightest going against a full team of coordinated players with voice communication while you have a bunch of randoms. It ruins Frontlines. It's like having an instance where it's a damage contest and whatever team does the most damage on the dummy wins. But 8-man premades are allowed to queue up against random teams.

It needs to be removed. Or at the very least, 1 partner. Like Feast. That would be fair. And if it's needed, have 24m( 8v8v8) premade Full Party Frontlines separately.

[Eul]

Instead of fixing BLM's Cometeor they should instead just remove the ability to go premade already and no one will ever have a problem.

Premades are fun and all but it's also not fun standing no chance. It's not fair in the slightest going against a full team of coordinated players with voice communication while you have a bunch of randoms. It ruins Frontlines.

It needs to be removed. Or at the very least, 1 partner. Like Feast. That would be fair.

I agree with this, having premades is not fun at all. Like it's ridiculous they can dominate 2 GCs at same time. And I also agree at least they can party with max 1 or 2 man.

[loreleidiangelo]

I agree with this, having premades is not fun at all. Like it's ridiculous they can dominate 2 GCs at same time. And I also agree at least they can party with max 1 or 2 man.

This would also be an acceptable alternative, yeah. I'm just trying to point out that the problem with Slaughter wasn't necessarily Slaughter's design, it was how stupidly effective Cometeor stacking was. Slaughter was actually a mode where a TON of PVP happened, it was just hugely tilted PVP where people only attained kills through a total cheeseball strategy rather than simply being good at strategy.

EDIT: To be fair though, people in Slaughter would stack Cometeors even if they were queuing solo. It wasn't exactly a strategy that required voice communication - you saw an orange circle drop on the ground, you dropped yours too and hoped you nabbed all the kills from it. I still maintain that a true PVP map that forced skirmishes in small map areas would have issues with Cometeor either way, simply because it's a huge radius and does a respectable amount of damage.

There are multiple problems with PVP in this game, really. I enjoy playing it, but it's hard to narrow down the plethora of issues to which ones have a "higher" priority.