All the big changes in 2013???!!!!!

[DNO]

Yes, it's plain to see that they weren't giving it their all to fix this game. They were giving it their all to create a new game instead.

and since the new game is the same old game with a better server and better maps it looks like they DID give it their all.
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[DeadlySwordz]

This is the price we pay for Tanaka releasing the game waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay early with an incomplete game. Actually, this is the price YOU guys are paying for his decision since I'm not playing at all right now. (i just check the forums often) I probably will not play either till i see it's actually worth playing again but by then if 2013 is where the game will be fully complete, it might be too late for me. I was so excited for this game when it was announced at E3 a few yrs ago, did not expect it to turn out this way.......

[Starlord]

Someone should make clear here that no one in this thread has been able to correctly read the development timeline yet.

It's pretty clear in those PDFs the planned development and release schedule. The 2013 date quoted by the OP is the release of the 2.0 game client for PS3 to buy in shops.

The October 2012 Distribution of 2.0 client is the point where we PC players will get our new client download. That appears to be to give us a couple of weeks to get what will no doubt be a sizeable install.

Then we have the "Merging of version 2.0 and current client software" "Version 2.0 Free Trial Period for PC" and "Playstation 3 System Beta". That runs from November 2012 to Jan 2013.

Before November I would expect a V2.0 Beta for PC with a limited number of people on a test server with the new client software. Once server and client code is considered stable they will have an extended maintenance to convert all current FFXIV accounts and characters to the new 2.0 system. We players will have to have our new 2.0 client installed during that to be able to log in again after the maintenance.

At that point we will probably have a week or 2 of stress testing with some fire fighting patches and once they are happy with the stability of 2.0 for the paying subscribers they will open up the second free trial period for anyone who ever bought FFXIV. I would expect some time before that they will remove current copies of FFXIV from store shelves.

Aroudn this time PS3 betas will be issued and they will either have a test server for those players to play together or maybe a test server eve / wow style where PC players can choose to play with the PS3 people. It would be really nice if we got access to the PS3 client if we own a PS3 to help.

In Feb 2013 the PS3 client will be released in the shops along with a big marketing push and probably a new PC special edition.

In the mean time we players of FFXIV have several large updates to look forward to as well as an evolving story line leading to an event marking the "reinvention" of the world. A "Cataclysm" if you like

*Please note that all I'm about to say is my opinion on how I'm reading the timeline.

All of what you said is Correct:

-Yes were Most likely Beta Testing in like September ( around that time frame I suppose)
-Yes They Distribute the Client in October
-Yes Game goes live somewhere for PC at that point of time in October

All of that I know of and read the time line Correctly of. However, we ARE getting things before the release date of the new FFXIV and they are as Followed in the order:

- Between now and the Release date of FFXIV Version 2.0 We are getting the basic systems and structures before the Version 2.0 Release date. Yoshi-p stated that they are implemented some ( maybe half?) of those systems into Version 1.0, then When Version 2.0 Comes on by, they will take All the Systems they been implementing into Version 1.0, and put them into Version 2.0. So in Essence were seeing a lot of that go into Fruition before 2.0 Lands.

・February 2012 – Development test server reconstruction complete

-At this point in time They have Finished the Test Servers (Since they are making brand new servers, This basically means to me they are 75-80% complete on getting us ported on the new servers)

The new server system is already up and running on internal development equipment, and we are in the process of finalizing general
search features, the party system, the friend system, and more. At the current pace, we hope to have all basic system features
completed by February 2012

・April 2012 – Version 2.0 client system complete

- Commence porting of current game content to version 2.0 client

-At this point in time They have Finished the Version 2.0 Client and they are now ready, and will Commence Ports us over to the 2.0 Client. (Not software there's is a MAJOR difference in that, in other words and how I interpret this is we will be in the new Servers then.) Also, to note the the Graphics Engine of the Timeline Will be done This December of 2011, so I'm assuming the 2.0 Client will have those Graphics as well.

・September to October 2012 – Begin distribution of version 2.0 software for PC

-At this point, the Game is Fully ready and sometime within Sept-Oct the PC version of 2.0, which the beta for the PC version will probably start at this point in time ( This doesn't seem to be the Launch Month considering all were seeing is Radical Changes and how the Cataclysm is happening. Which leads me to believe that Cataclysm of the Old Eorzea will Commence at this point of time ( During the in-game Radical Changes, which is why were getting the Software then or else how else would we see the radical Changes? :P)


- In November~January ( November probably meaning just the PC, the Client of 2.0 and the current game itself will Merge together, thus the Cataclysm Now Officially complete and welcome to Version 2.0 Beta test for the PS3, and the Limited Free Trial starts for PC)

This is how I interpret the Timeline, Of course I probably made little errors here and there but this is how I see the timeline. I hope you all enjoy your time in Old Eorzea as this is a once in a lifetime experience, Please enjoy it while it lasts.. .

[nasomi]

They're designing the game from scratch, not just making some updates such as AH, mog house, etc. That takes time, and I'm amazed that they're doing it in a year. That's one huge team working litterally around the clock on this.

[Neptune]

I wasn't trollin', but I said 2 years. That was my way of not letting myself down. I was right! Keep your expectations low and it's hard to be disappointed. Even before FFXIV came out, I was sure it would blow due to Tanaka and I found myself pleasantly enough surprised.

[RemVye]

"Total redesign of maps, graphics engine, UI.... pshhh... why don't they have this done in a month! It's really simple!" - typic forum QQ'er


Logic.... (Do you need it?) (Yes, please.)

[Azurus]

But the people who are still here have something to gain or lose by SE's decisions going forward. Every person posting here has bought the game and created at least one character, or they wouldn't be able to post here.

I'd be much quicker to go by what I see on this forum where the members each have an investment in and a stake in the future of the game, than I would on other sites (I've seen people mention ZAM, for example) where people who have no stake, nor necessarily even any real interest in the game can "voice their opinions".

70% of the people who've "voted" on this site saying they'll proceed with the subs and 30% saying they won't carries more weight IMO, because those votes come from people who are actually playing and whom the changes will actually impact going forward.

Incidentally, I'd have the same point-of-view if the numbers were reversed and 70% said they wouldn't sub. So it's not a bias thing.

And frankly, saying that this site is more prone to fanboy-like behavior than any other seems like a non-sequitur. Anyone posting here could just as easily be posting on any other site being just as fanboyish. Same goes for those who don't like or are looking to troll the game.

It's not as though there's some rule stating "If you're a fan of the game, you only post on the official forums, else you post everywhere else".

Its a fallacy of statistics no matter how you spin it. More people left and are hopefully watching this game from the sidelines then are still playing. A simple trip down youtube lane and any fansite can catch you up woth what is going on in this game. There is not that much content to where you NEED to play every part of it to atleast form a personal opinion.

This site is all like minded people or else you are right, they wouldnt be playing, however the dismal amount of us that are playing are not what SE wants, they want the 600k that left back. You are wrong also if you think that the subs only truely effect us. This forum is a drop of water as far as the actual community goes. How many of them do you think is on the fence right now? you will wake up when you see ghost towns and ask yourself why the forums are so cheery when the towns are dead. You will see why. This forum is rampant with fanboism, I feel that other fan sites actually have better arguments and I've seen far better posts on them then on here.

enacting subs is just going to turn those away that want to try a patch they are interested in now down the road. I could give two shites about paying for this game as like ive said i enjoy it enough, but i'm more worried about the fact that there will no longer be people atleast coming in to try patches. Allowing that has caused people to atleast maintain interest in the game and watch it.

After a full year of being away from it how many people do you think will still care about this game? Like i said it is poor business practice on multiple levels. It pushes those on the fence out, and it is an unsound investment to put money in to a already failed game while they push out the non failed version a year from now. Why do we have to pay for a game thats being replaced? It really does not make any sense. SE has more then enough publishings and ips to fund this game until it is actually complete.

[JackDaniels]

Who are you talking for? You sure as hell aren't a current player.



I'm not a particularly violent person but the people who played this game only "because it might get better later" needed that punch to get in touch with the reality. If you didn't like this game from the beginning why did you play it?

Because at the current state of this game, it is very much worth the low low price of free?

[Teakwood]

I like how "Implementing literally the next best thing to a ground-up AH, implementing a jobs system, and a kupoload of instanced content, as well as rebalancing class abilities in preperation for 2.0, along with a lot of other stuff we probably don't know about" is "minor tweaks".

[Wynn]

Because at the current state of this game, it is very much worth the low low price of free?

SE decides what their game is worth. All you get to decide is whether or not you'll pay what they are asking.