Request to unlock Hempen set styles

[Magic-Mal]

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Piece by piece I will show that this is wrong

In FFXIV, race sorta literally never matters. They don't want to add villages and/or cities for each race? Fine, but like race never even comes up. For example, one would assume that is anyone other than an elezen stepped foot in Ishgard, some of those people would be freaking the **** out.

Both Elezen and Hyur reside in Ishgard. When outsiders even came near their territory they got upset.

"What is this tiny little potato-like creature?"
"Who are these glorious, giant beautiful Amazonian women towering over us? And why are the men so large and round?"
"Omg that thing has cat ears and a tail?"

Maybe they did that when they first saw them thousands of years ago. We're in present day. They know what a Lalafell, a Miqo'te, and a Roegadyn is.

"Omg that thing has dragon horns and a tail! KILL IT!!!"

Actually the Ishgardians did exactly that. And we're killing Au Ra. Do the DRK(?) story to get that lore

But there's like none of that. Even every Elezen PC is treated as an outsider when one would expect them to maybe confuse a Wildwood Elezen as one of their own every now and then, but nope. You just show up in this place that has cut itself off from the rest of the continent, but the way they react, or rather the way that they don't, would make it seem like all these races have always been a common sight around Ishgard.

Because Ishgard does not welcome Eorzean Alliance outsiders. That includes us. They don't care if someone is an Elezen. See The Brume. The story needs to be the same. Unless you expect the Devs to make a story for every race, gender and clan(24 stories). Not only that, if you did the side quests in HW, you'd know for example that the Sunseeker in Tailfeather mentions how she's the only Miqo'te around.

You don't even really learn about any race's culture during quests or just talking to random NPCs. There's no Roegadyn or Lalafel who practice traditions handed to them from their homeland.

If you do the quests in the game you'd learn things about races. Like Hellsguard traditions with Warriors and Scholars. Lalafells and Mhach, Belah'dia, Ul'dah, Sil'dahn, Nym. Miqo'tes and Meracydia, etc.

They don't have their own unique gods.

False. Highlanders worship Rhalgr
Keepers worship Menphina
Lalafells worship Nald'Thal
Seawolf Roegadyn worship Llymaen(or whatever it's called)
The entire Ishgardian society worships Halone.
Wildwood Gridanians and Gridanians in general, worship Nyemia(?) And the Elementals.

etc

Everyone does all the same s*** and acts all the same way.

Last I checked White guy and Asian guy down the street act the same as Hispanic guy up the street. But White guy in the neighborhood 50mi away acts completely different.

Commander Rhiki acts exactly like Y'shtola for sure.

Now, I'm not saying the hempen/starter sets are some genius, magical piece of world-building, but they offer us a glimpse, even if it's the tiniest of tiny glimpses, into the different cultures of each race.

Not even a glimpse. It's a shirt and panties/underwear. With absolutely no culture attached.

If nothing else, we at least get some idea of how they may dress back home.

Dunno about you but when I went to the Miqo'te tribe in Forgotten Springs I didn't see not one Miqo'te in there wearing racial gear. No hempen camise in sight. I don't see any Roes with their gear. The only characters with hempen camises are Rowena's employees and they have no identity.

I learned alot by visiting Forgotten Springs for sure. I learned that even they don't wear this so-called racial gear. I learned alot by visiting the Coeurlclaw camp too. They also don't wear anything like this racial stuff.

And Highlanders wear their clothes in Little Ala Mhigo because they are poor. They have nothing else.

And I think that's why people are ultimately in favor of keeping the sets locked. It's not the best or even good world-building, but at least it's something. And I think some people want to hold onto that at all costs.

You mean the...12..15 people who want it locked?(Only one actually wears their gear 24/7) Out of the like.. 400 people saying "unlock please?"

[Galaktica]

Piece by piece I will show that this is wrong

Both Elezen and Hyur reside in Ishgard. When outsiders even came near their territory they got upset.

Oh my bad, 1 out of the remaining 4 races.

Maybe they did that when they first saw them thousands of years ago. We're in present day. They know what a Lalafell, a Miqo'te, and a Roegadyn is.

This statement direcctly contradicts this one you make:

Because Ishgard does not welcome Eorzean Alliance outsiders. That includes us.

Okay, so they don't welcome outsides...but yet seeing them run around the city isn't the least bit shocking? Also, you interact with Ishgardians of every standing. It's relatively safe to assume the vast majority of Ishgardians have never left Ishgardian territory so chances of them running into anyone other than Elezen and Hyur would be astronomically low. You mean to tell me some lowborn slaving away in the brune or some Highborn sitting in their lofty mansion runs into Roegadyn all the time?

They don't care if someone is an Elezen. See The Brume. The story needs to be the same. Unless you expect the Devs to make a story for every race, gender and clan(24 stories). Not only that, if you did the side quests in HW, you'd know for example that the Sunseeker in Tailfeather mentions how she's the only Miqo'te around.

I never said I expected them to make a story for each race and, frankly, I'm not sure where you got that idea. A simple throwaway line every now wouldn't hurt though. i.e. if player = lala, then dialogue = "Don't see many of your kind around here. I reckon a dragon would love to snack on a few of you! HA, I jest!" and so on and so forth.

Actually the Ishgardians did exactly that. And we're killing Au Ra. Do the DRK(?) story to get that lore

Well then that's my mistake, though I think such information would be infinitely more relevant in the MSQ during the time when the Au Ra are first immigrating into Eorzea.

If you do the quests in the game you'd learn things about races. Like Hellsguard traditions with Warriors and Scholars. Lalafells and Mhach, Belah'dia, Ul'dah, Sil'dahn, Nym. Miqo'tes and Meracydia, etc.

Citation needed if you don't mind. Except for the Lalafel/Nym thing. That one I'm aware of. Again though, I feel like that only further supports my point as like no one seems to care about Nym except the Lala SCH. What happened in between then and now?

False. Highlanders worship Rhalgr
Keepers worship Menphina
Lalafells worship Nald'Thal
Seawolf Roegadyn worship Llymaen(or whatever it's called)
The entire Ishgardian society worships Halone.
Wildwood Gridanians and Gridanians in general, worship Nyemia(?) And the Elementals.

etc

Again, citation needed for all of those (except for Ishgardians and Wildwood Elezen. I remember those).

Last I checked White guy and Asian guy down the street act the same as Hispanic guy up the street. But White guy in the neighborhood 50mi away acts completely different.

Again, you misunderstood my point. Even in melting pots like America, there are those who still deeply value their heritage. They aren't afraid to integrate, but they love and respect where they or their ancestors came from. That's virtually non-existant in Eorzea as apparently no one cares where they came from. Did they ever live in separate countries to begin with or did Hydalen just think it was a neat idea to see what she could make?

Commander Rhiki acts exactly like Y'shtola for sure.

Again, misunderstanding my point. The only real difference between them is one has a bubbly personality while the other barely has one at all. Neither would do or say something that would seem completely alien to anyone else. Whereas, for example, it's possible that someone used to Japanese culture would find it odd that Americans will just run around the house in their shoes.

Not even a glimpse. It's a shirt and panties/underwear. With absolutely no culture attached.

That's like saying a kanga is just a dress or a Turban is just a funny hat simply because you don't know any better. We hardly know anything about any of the races so it's literally impossible to say the way they dress doesn't mean anything.

Dunno about you but when I went to the Miqo'te tribe in Forgotten Springs I didn't see not one Miqo'te in there wearing racial gear. No hempen camise in sight. I don't see any Roes with their gear. The only characters with hempen camises are Rowena's employees and they have no identity.

99% of the Miqo'te in Forgotten Springs are hunters and unlike us adventures, most NPCs tend to wear appropriate attire. The other 1% are resting in the springs wearing bathing suits...because they're bathing. Whose to say they don't wear the hempen set while sleeping?

Also, there are several Roegadyn wearing their hempen set around Limsa and Idlyshire. Might be a few hanging around Ul'dah too I would imagine.

I learned alot by visiting Forgotten Springs for sure. I learned that even they don't wear this so-called racial gear. I learned alot by visiting the Coeurlclaw camp too. They also don't wear anything like this racial stuff.

I'll concede to that, but 1.) isn't the Forgotten Springs Miqo'te tribe one of many? I'm not trying to make a point. I'm genuinely asking. 2.) Again, unlike us (yes, myself included), NPCs tend to dress for the occaion so it should come as no surprised that the Coeurlclaws dress like they do.

And Highlanders wear their clothes in Little Ala Mhigo because they are poor. They have nothing else.

So, remind me, what's the excuse for Rowena's employees again?

You mean the...12..15 people who want it locked?(Only one actually wears their gear 24/7) Out of the like.. 400 people saying "unlock please?"

What's your point? They're in the minority so their voice doesn't matter. The community rep specifically asked for feedback from both sides. They didn't say "okay, side with the most support wins! FIGHT!" If that's how you feel then I hope you never have an opinion in the minority on these forums.

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lol this whole thing is a losing battle. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm in favor of unlocking the hempen sets. I'm just trying to see this whole thing from everyone's point of view because I don't think it's fair to say the other side doesn't have a point. F*** me for trying to be civil I guess.

[Magic-Mal]

That's like saying a kanga is just a dress or a Turban is just a funny hat simply because you don't know any better. We don't know anything about any of the races so it's literally impossible to say the way they dress doesn't mean anything.

lol this whole thing is a losing battle. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm in favor of unlocking the hempen sets. I'm just trying to see this whole thing from everyone's point of view because I don't think it's fair to say the other side doesn't have a point. F*** me for trying to be civil I guess.

I can't buy a kanga at the dollar store. I can buy panties and a tanktop though. And a T-Shirt.

[Magic-Mal]

Okay, so they don't welcome outsides...but yet seeing them run around the city isn't the least bit shocking? Also, you interact with Ishgardians of every standing. It's relatively safe to assume the vast majority of Ishgardians have never left Ishgardian territory so chances of them running into anyone other than Elezen and Hyur would be astronomically low. You mean to tell me some lowborn slaving away in the brune or some Highborn sitting in their lofty mansion runs into Roegadyn all the time?

That would be alot of lines to create for all those NPCs. Other than our characters, Ishgard is 100% Elezen and Hyur. Our character specifically doesn't seem to be able to interact with anyone. However, NPCs acknowledge gender.

I never said I expected them to make a story for each race and, frankly, I'm not sure where you got that idea. A simple throwaway line every now wouldn't hurt though. i.e. if player = lala, then dialogue = "Don't see many of your kind around here. I reckon a dragon would love to snack on a few of you! HA, I jest!" and so on and so forth.

Tbh I don't think this would add that much. It would be just 1 line then never brought up again. That's how this game is.

Citations

You can find the information about gods in the character creation window. Highlanders are always talking about Rhalgr. Lalafells are always talking about Nald'Thal. Limsa Lominsa is essentially a Seawolf city plus all the other people. And they have their god. I would explain the Ul'dah stuff but you'd be better off going to the Lore forum. As for Miqo'tes and Meracydia, certain items in-game have this information. But, all can be found in the Lore Forum.

Again, you misunderstood my point. Even in melting pots like America, there are those who still deeply value their heritage. They aren't afraid to integrate, but they love and respect where they or their ancestors came from. That's virtually non-existant in Eorzea as apparently no one cares where they came from. Did they ever live in separate countries to begin with or did Hydalen just think it was a neat idea to see what she could make?

Huh? People in Gridania are still salty about Duskwights, the Ixals, and Hyur vs Elezen issue.(Also see that Archer Elezen guy in the guild. Very proud of his culture). Elezens and Hyurs weren't together at first. They clashed.

Ishgard has an entire story of where they came from.

Ul'Dah is dealing with a ton of issues. Too many to list here...

Again, misunderstanding my point. The only real difference between them is one has a bubbly personality while the other barely has one at all. Neither would do or say something that would seem completely alien to anyone else. Whereas, for example, it's possible that someone used to Japanese culture would find it odd that Americans will just run around the house in their shoes.

This does happen in-game. In the Ninja questline, the NIN guy Oboro didn't know how to greet an Eorzean. He had no idea how to even wave. He could only bow. He eventually learns how to wave.

Yugiri had no idea what a Primal was. And had to learn how Eorzea worked.

Kan-E Senna makes mention of the adventure when you take her to the Churning Mists.

Lucia, needed a guide just to go to Anyx Trine because she didn't even know where she was going.

Ysayle talked about Moogles when she first saw them. There are more examples.

Again, misunderstanding my point. The only real difference between them is one has a bubbly personality while the other barely has one at all. Neither would do or say something that would seem completely alien to anyone else. Whereas, for example, it's possible that someone used to Japanese culture would find it odd that Americans will just run around the house in their shoes.

This does happen in-game. In the Ninja questline, the NIN guy Oboro didn't know how to greet an Eorzean. He had no idea how to even wave. He could only bow. He eventually learns how to wave.

Yugiri had no idea what a Primal was. And had to learn how Eorzea worked.

Kan-E Senna makes mention of the adventure when you take her to the Churning Mists.

Lucia, needed a guide just to go to Anyx Trine because she didn't even know where she was going.

Ysayle talked about Moogles when she first saw them. There are more examples

That's like saying a kanga is just a dress or a Turban is just a funny hat simply because you don't know any better. We hardly know anything about any of the races so it's literally impossible to say the way they dress doesn't mean anything.

No it's not. A kanga is a very culturally-specific piece of clothing. Not a tank top or panties. A kanga is equivalent to the Ixali gloves or the Vanu suits or the Fortemps Rose Shield. Something you can't just get for 200 gil at "Merchant and Mender". As I said, you can't buy a kanga at the dollar store.

99% of the Miqo'te in Forgotten Springs are hunters and unlike us adventures, most NPCs tend to wear appropriate attire. The other 1% are resting in the springs wearing bathing suits...because they're bathing. Whose to say they don't wear the hempen set while sleeping?

Can't be answered. But we KNOW that they don't where anything even related to racial gear when we see them and we never see any race sleep in undergarments.

I'll concede to that, but 1.) isn't the Forgotten Springs Miqo'te tribe one of many? I'm not trying to make a point. I'm genuinely asking.

Sure. But they don't matter because they don't exist right now.

So, remind me, what's the excuse for Rowena's employees again?

They are poor, may have or may have not been orphaned, or owe her money(can't pay because poor). Rowena is giving them a job

What's your point? They're in the minority so their voice doesn't matter. The community rep specifically asked for feedback from both sides. They didn't say "okay, side with the most support wins! FIGHT!" If that's how you feel then I hope you never have an opinion in the minority on these forums.

Just saying. Your statement made it out like the general conclusion(to me) was to keep it locked and it isn't. So was just stating the facts.

[Galaktica]

That would be alot of lines to create for all those NPCs. Other than our characters, Ishgard is 100% Elezen and Hyur. Our character specifically doesn't seem to be able to interact with anyone. However, NPCs acknowledge gender.

Well, obviously not every NPC would comment on your race.

Tbh I don't think this would add that much. It would be just 1 line then never brought up again. That's how this game is.

That's why you make it a recurring theme. It'd be a cumulative experience as the more you talk to pay attention to dialogue, the more you learn about how the world views each and every race. Again, not every NPC has to mention it, but one or two once in a blue moon would do wonders.

You can find the information about gods in the character creation window. Highlanders are always talking about Rhalgr. Lalafells are always talking about Nald'Thal. Limsa Lominsa is essentially a Seawolf city plus all the other people. And they have their god. I would explain the Ul'dah stuff but you'd be better off going to the Lore forum. As for Miqo'tes and Meracydia, certain items in-game have this information. But, all can be found in the Lore Forum.

My mistake, I was reading the description for the gods themselves and not the specific clans. None of the gods' descriptions make mention of a specific race, but rather certain areas. Also, whenever a god is mentioned, it's not because of a specific race, but rather where they live currently. Obviously, one could change religion, but again, my original point is that is virtually zero information on these races before their arrival in Eorzea. Who they worship was merely an example. Did every race everywhere worship the Twelve? Did they have their own names for them?

Huh? People in Gridania are still salty about Duskwights, the Ixals, and Hyur vs Elezen issue.(Also see that Archer Elezen guy in the guild. Very proud of his culture). Elezens and Hyurs weren't together at first. They clashed.

Ishgard has an entire story of where they came from.

Ul'Dah is dealing with a ton of issues. Too many to list here...

I'll gladly give the Elezen point. That was great. We need more of that. The controversy in Ul'dah has nothing to do with race and has always been about poor vs rich. The point about Ishgardians is moot as, again, while it did a nice job of setting up Ishgard, it ultimately did nothing to add anything of substance to the background of the PC races which is the heart of my argument.

This does happen in-game. In the Ninja questline, the NIN guy Oboro didn't know how to greet an Eorzean. He had no idea how to even wave. He could only bow. He eventually learns how to wave.

Yugiri had no idea what a Primal was. And had to learn how Eorzea worked.

Kan-E Senna makes mention of the adventure when you take her to the Churning Mists.

Lucia, needed a guide just to go to Anyx Trine because she didn't even know where she was going.

Ysayle talked about Moogles when she first saw them. There are more examples.

Okay, the NIN example sheds a tiny bit of light on Au Ra. 1 race down? A lot more to go. The Kan-E Senna and Lucia examples have little to do with race and more to do with the face that they themselves have never ventured out that far. Same thing with the Y'sayle example. Moogles are a rare sight to everyone. They've done a great job of fleshing out Moogles though. If only they put the same care into the player races.

No it's not. A kanga is a very culturally-specific piece of clothing. Not a tank top or panties. A kanga is equivalent to the Ixali gloves or the Vanu suits or the Fortemps Rose Shield. Something you can't just get for 200 gil at "Merchant and Mender". As I said, you can't buy a kanga at the dollar store.

Can't be answered. But we KNOW that they don't where anything even related to racial gear when we see them and we never see any race sleep in undergarments.

Sure. But they don't matter because they don't exist right now.

And once again, this is the point. We hardly know anything about these races so who can say one way or the other?

They are poor, may have or may have not been orphaned, or owe her money(can't pay because poor). Rowena is giving them a job

So she opens these fancy shops, but then let's people, who apparently dress like hobos, work at the counter?

Just saying. Your statement made it out like the general conclusion(to me) was to keep it locked and it isn't. So was just stating the facts.

You know that's not what I meant. My statement was very clearly referencing the people who wanted to keep it locked and only those people.

[Felis]

Okay, the NIN example sheds a tiny bit of light on Au Ra. 1 race down? A lot more to go. The Kan-E Senna and Lucia examples have little to do with race and more to do with the face that they themselves have never ventured out that far. Same thing with the Y'sayle example. Moogles are a rare sight to everyone. They've done a great job of fleshing out Moogles though. If only they put the same care into the player races.

That is because the other races live already since many thousand years together.
The Miqo'te were the last race that reached Eorzea before the Au Ra, and that was during the 5th umbral era (they wandered the frozen ocean until they reached Eorzea). Ishgard closed the doors not long ago, during the time the Garleans began to raise. Before that they were in contact with the other cities.
The culture is not race specific anymore after living together for such long time, but more regional specific.

In 4.0 we will learn another regional culture, in the highlands of Gyn Abania

edit: hmm
what would you people think about starter city specific gear? Gear that only those can equip who started in the specific city.^^

[Niwashi]

The culture is not race specific anymore after living together for such long time, but more regional specific.

edit: hmm
what would you people think about starter city specific gear? Gear that only those can equip who started in the specific city.^^

Well, I have my Monoa Mask. It has some cultural significance to forestborn Gridanians, having been carved from consecrated lumber rendered up by the Guardian Tree, and given only to those chosen to serve as the Emissary in the Greenbliss ceremony.

Of course, it actually looks no different than a lot of other wooden masks in a similar style that anyone can wear. But I'd even regard that style of mask as being Gridanian, considering the only NPCs we see it on are Wood Wailers (though even they usually just use the smaller half-mask version).