Request to unlock Hempen set styles

[Galaktica]

Do remember this outsider is sponsored by one of their high noble houses, and has the famous reputation of slaying the gigantic dragon that was rampaging through the Steps of Faith. Most Ishgardians are savvy enough to know one does not mess with someone who is that powerful and has a powerful noble's backing, and the ones that do get plenty of exposure in the story.

...Okay? Who said anything about messing with them? A simple remark, one made of curiosity or awe and not spite, is all I'm asking for.

[Magic-Mal]

Okay, so they don't welcome outsides...but yet seeing them run around the city isn't the least bit shocking? Also, you interact with Ishgardians of every standing. It's relatively safe to assume the vast majority of Ishgardians have never left Ishgardian territory so chances of them running into anyone other than Elezen and Hyur would be astronomically low. You mean to tell me some lowborn slaving away in the brune or some Highborn sitting in their lofty mansion runs into Roegadyn all the time?

That would be alot of lines to create for all those NPCs. Other than our characters, Ishgard is 100% Elezen and Hyur. Our character specifically doesn't seem to be able to interact with anyone. However, NPCs acknowledge gender.

I never said I expected them to make a story for each race and, frankly, I'm not sure where you got that idea. A simple throwaway line every now wouldn't hurt though. i.e. if player = lala, then dialogue = "Don't see many of your kind around here. I reckon a dragon would love to snack on a few of you! HA, I jest!" and so on and so forth.

Tbh I don't think this would add that much. It would be just 1 line then never brought up again. That's how this game is.

Citations

You can find the information about gods in the character creation window. Highlanders are always talking about Rhalgr. Lalafells are always talking about Nald'Thal. Limsa Lominsa is essentially a Seawolf city plus all the other people. And they have their god. I would explain the Ul'dah stuff but you'd be better off going to the Lore forum. As for Miqo'tes and Meracydia, certain items in-game have this information. But, all can be found in the Lore Forum.

Again, you misunderstood my point. Even in melting pots like America, there are those who still deeply value their heritage. They aren't afraid to integrate, but they love and respect where they or their ancestors came from. That's virtually non-existant in Eorzea as apparently no one cares where they came from. Did they ever live in separate countries to begin with or did Hydalen just think it was a neat idea to see what she could make?

Huh? People in Gridania are still salty about Duskwights, the Ixals, and Hyur vs Elezen issue.(Also see that Archer Elezen guy in the guild. Very proud of his culture). Elezens and Hyurs weren't together at first. They clashed.

Ishgard has an entire story of where they came from.

Ul'Dah is dealing with a ton of issues. Too many to list here...

Again, misunderstanding my point. The only real difference between them is one has a bubbly personality while the other barely has one at all. Neither would do or say something that would seem completely alien to anyone else. Whereas, for example, it's possible that someone used to Japanese culture would find it odd that Americans will just run around the house in their shoes.

This does happen in-game. In the Ninja questline, the NIN guy Oboro didn't know how to greet an Eorzean. He had no idea how to even wave. He could only bow. He eventually learns how to wave.

Yugiri had no idea what a Primal was. And had to learn how Eorzea worked.

Kan-E Senna makes mention of the adventure when you take her to the Churning Mists.

Lucia, needed a guide just to go to Anyx Trine because she didn't even know where she was going.

Ysayle talked about Moogles when she first saw them. There are more examples.

Again, misunderstanding my point. The only real difference between them is one has a bubbly personality while the other barely has one at all. Neither would do or say something that would seem completely alien to anyone else. Whereas, for example, it's possible that someone used to Japanese culture would find it odd that Americans will just run around the house in their shoes.

This does happen in-game. In the Ninja questline, the NIN guy Oboro didn't know how to greet an Eorzean. He had no idea how to even wave. He could only bow. He eventually learns how to wave.

Yugiri had no idea what a Primal was. And had to learn how Eorzea worked.

Kan-E Senna makes mention of the adventure when you take her to the Churning Mists.

Lucia, needed a guide just to go to Anyx Trine because she didn't even know where she was going.

Ysayle talked about Moogles when she first saw them. There are more examples

That's like saying a kanga is just a dress or a Turban is just a funny hat simply because you don't know any better. We hardly know anything about any of the races so it's literally impossible to say the way they dress doesn't mean anything.

No it's not. A kanga is a very culturally-specific piece of clothing. Not a tank top or panties. A kanga is equivalent to the Ixali gloves or the Vanu suits or the Fortemps Rose Shield. Something you can't just get for 200 gil at "Merchant and Mender". As I said, you can't buy a kanga at the dollar store.

99% of the Miqo'te in Forgotten Springs are hunters and unlike us adventures, most NPCs tend to wear appropriate attire. The other 1% are resting in the springs wearing bathing suits...because they're bathing. Whose to say they don't wear the hempen set while sleeping?

Can't be answered. But we KNOW that they don't where anything even related to racial gear when we see them and we never see any race sleep in undergarments.

I'll concede to that, but 1.) isn't the Forgotten Springs Miqo'te tribe one of many? I'm not trying to make a point. I'm genuinely asking.

Sure. But they don't matter because they don't exist right now.

So, remind me, what's the excuse for Rowena's employees again?

They are poor, may have or may have not been orphaned, or owe her money(can't pay because poor). Rowena is giving them a job

What's your point? They're in the minority so their voice doesn't matter. The community rep specifically asked for feedback from both sides. They didn't say "okay, side with the most support wins! FIGHT!" If that's how you feel then I hope you never have an opinion in the minority on these forums.

Just saying. Your statement made it out like the general conclusion(to me) was to keep it locked and it isn't. So was just stating the facts.

[Celef]

I'm sure most people wearing the clothes aren't thinking of uniqueness but instead are thinking "I like this shirt."

Pretty much that in fact, that's what most of us think when doing a glamour in general and the reason we see pig suited tank and half naked DpS, because people want there glamour to please themselves, not necessarily be race fitting or even related.
Just like in RL, you were what you like, not necessarily what's "appropirate" or "fitting" (according to the society) to you (men wearing skirts instead of jeans, "big" gilrs wearing sexy outfits instead of hidding their forms, women wearing sarouel etc etc)

As long as it pleases you who should care what you're / your avatar is wearing ?

(the [B] are just here as a reminder that we not all think the same, just saying before someone starts flaming my post because we do not agree ^^")

[Galaktica]

That would be alot of lines to create for all those NPCs. Other than our characters, Ishgard is 100% Elezen and Hyur. Our character specifically doesn't seem to be able to interact with anyone. However, NPCs acknowledge gender.

Well, obviously not every NPC would comment on your race.

Tbh I don't think this would add that much. It would be just 1 line then never brought up again. That's how this game is.

That's why you make it a recurring theme. It'd be a cumulative experience as the more you talk to pay attention to dialogue, the more you learn about how the world views each and every race. Again, not every NPC has to mention it, but one or two once in a blue moon would do wonders.

You can find the information about gods in the character creation window. Highlanders are always talking about Rhalgr. Lalafells are always talking about Nald'Thal. Limsa Lominsa is essentially a Seawolf city plus all the other people. And they have their god. I would explain the Ul'dah stuff but you'd be better off going to the Lore forum. As for Miqo'tes and Meracydia, certain items in-game have this information. But, all can be found in the Lore Forum.

My mistake, I was reading the description for the gods themselves and not the specific clans. None of the gods' descriptions make mention of a specific race, but rather certain areas. Also, whenever a god is mentioned, it's not because of a specific race, but rather where they live currently. Obviously, one could change religion, but again, my original point is that is virtually zero information on these races before their arrival in Eorzea. Who they worship was merely an example. Did every race everywhere worship the Twelve? Did they have their own names for them?

Huh? People in Gridania are still salty about Duskwights, the Ixals, and Hyur vs Elezen issue.(Also see that Archer Elezen guy in the guild. Very proud of his culture). Elezens and Hyurs weren't together at first. They clashed.

Ishgard has an entire story of where they came from.

Ul'Dah is dealing with a ton of issues. Too many to list here...

I'll gladly give the Elezen point. That was great. We need more of that. The controversy in Ul'dah has nothing to do with race and has always been about poor vs rich. The point about Ishgardians is moot as, again, while it did a nice job of setting up Ishgard, it ultimately did nothing to add anything of substance to the background of the PC races which is the heart of my argument.

This does happen in-game. In the Ninja questline, the NIN guy Oboro didn't know how to greet an Eorzean. He had no idea how to even wave. He could only bow. He eventually learns how to wave.

Yugiri had no idea what a Primal was. And had to learn how Eorzea worked.

Kan-E Senna makes mention of the adventure when you take her to the Churning Mists.

Lucia, needed a guide just to go to Anyx Trine because she didn't even know where she was going.

Ysayle talked about Moogles when she first saw them. There are more examples.

Okay, the NIN example sheds a tiny bit of light on Au Ra. 1 race down? A lot more to go. The Kan-E Senna and Lucia examples have little to do with race and more to do with the face that they themselves have never ventured out that far. Same thing with the Y'sayle example. Moogles are a rare sight to everyone. They've done a great job of fleshing out Moogles though. If only they put the same care into the player races.

No it's not. A kanga is a very culturally-specific piece of clothing. Not a tank top or panties. A kanga is equivalent to the Ixali gloves or the Vanu suits or the Fortemps Rose Shield. Something you can't just get for 200 gil at "Merchant and Mender". As I said, you can't buy a kanga at the dollar store.

Can't be answered. But we KNOW that they don't where anything even related to racial gear when we see them and we never see any race sleep in undergarments.

Sure. But they don't matter because they don't exist right now.

And once again, this is the point. We hardly know anything about these races so who can say one way or the other?

They are poor, may have or may have not been orphaned, or owe her money(can't pay because poor). Rowena is giving them a job

So she opens these fancy shops, but then let's people, who apparently dress like hobos, work at the counter?

Just saying. Your statement made it out like the general conclusion(to me) was to keep it locked and it isn't. So was just stating the facts.

You know that's not what I meant. My statement was very clearly referencing the people who wanted to keep it locked and only those people.

[Sterre]

So much negativity against people who wish the sets to remain locked. Both sides should respect each others opinions, calling someone's opinion dumb won't do any good for anyone.

The reasons to keep the hempen sets locked are as legit as the reasons to unlock them, not being able to glamour few pieces of gear shouldn't ruin anyone's experience in this game.

Good day o/

[Celef]

So much negativity against people who wish the sets to remain locked. Both sides should respect each others opinions, calling someone's opinion dumb won't do any good for anyone.

The reasons to keep the hempen sets locked are as legit as the reasons to unlock them, not being able to glamour few pieces of gear shouldn't ruin anyone's experience in this game.

Good day o/

True and I'de add :
The reasons to unlock the hempen sets locked are as legit as the reasons to keep them race locked, not being able to glamour few pieces of gear shouldn't ruin anyone's experience in this game.

[Anzaman]

Then people would want those unlocked for every race eventually too.

Better off just doing away with race specific gear in my opinion.

Soon we'll just watch how Tataru will.. (3.5 spoilers)

..make us race and gender specific outfit. And we can watch how forums explode.

[Felis]

Okay, the NIN example sheds a tiny bit of light on Au Ra. 1 race down? A lot more to go. The Kan-E Senna and Lucia examples have little to do with race and more to do with the face that they themselves have never ventured out that far. Same thing with the Y'sayle example. Moogles are a rare sight to everyone. They've done a great job of fleshing out Moogles though. If only they put the same care into the player races.

That is because the other races live already since many thousand years together.
The Miqo'te were the last race that reached Eorzea before the Au Ra, and that was during the 5th umbral era (they wandered the frozen ocean until they reached Eorzea). Ishgard closed the doors not long ago, during the time the Garleans began to raise. Before that they were in contact with the other cities.
The culture is not race specific anymore after living together for such long time, but more regional specific.

In 4.0 we will learn another regional culture, in the highlands of Gyn Abania

edit: hmm
what would you people think about starter city specific gear? Gear that only those can equip who started in the specific city.^^

[Asharel]

So much negativity against people who wish the sets to remain locked. Both sides should respect each others opinions, calling someone's opinion dumb won't do any good for anyone.

I don't think it's as much that people are outright insulting others with large debates like above. It's moreso that some reasons brought up for keeping the sets restricted are based in misguided views of how things are in-game, whether from a lore or a preference standpoint.

But yeah, overall it'd be nice to not have people attacking each other over this. But surely people can not try to bring up silly things such as 'races lose their identity without race-specific equipment'. Which has been disproven a few times throughout, if I recall.

[Serilda]

We sort of have city gear with the GC sets (the hunt sets in particular). I wouldn't want to get stuck with the city state I started out in, though. Still mad about the way people acted there at the end of the 2.0 story (lol) so my allegiances now lie elsewhere.

I'll buy the racial uniqueness argument the moment Gridanian NPCs notice I am Duskwight and stop explaining my own race to me without missing a beat. Since they don't notice and it's treated as irrelevant anyway, I'll take the offer of better hempen pants