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  1. #571
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    RaijinSupreme's Avatar
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    Dynamo Malevolti
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    Sargatanas
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Breath dude, you'll hurt yourself You'll notice the key thing I said is that the argument has been done to death and that we will find out next week. I don't know anything and neither does anyone, except for what we can see in the trailer. I'll reiterate what others have said that if THAT is dancer, then I feel bad for the creativity department in that apparently MNK and DNC are so similar that they can spar with similar movesets (seriously, go watch the trailer), but either way, it does not matter what you think, or what I think, because we are likely to find out the truth next week.
    So if it doesn't matter what anyone thinks, then let people talk about it if they want to, even if its been argued six feet under the ground. I mean even you still found the time to type paragraphs and give opinions about a topic thats been done to death lol. So let everyone else do it.
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  2. #572
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    NinjaTaru72's Avatar
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    Alessa Ravachi
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    Mateus
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Remus View Post
    We don't need another martial artist when we have monk. They would just end up most likely being the same job.
    We don't need another magic user when we have whm. They would most likely end up being the same job... Oh wait... Blm, smn, sch.


    See how that works? Lol.

    Or swords? We don't need Another sword user it would be the same Job... Wait a minute....ninja gladiator darknight... Shit. They did it again.

    Lol. Damn monk is the only bare handed combat class. dancer, with their moves, could easily incorporate some mnk skills(with having cross class currently and whatever they are changing it to later) and still have its own style.

    Hell they could have a small blade of some sort to go with their combat style.

    Wait and see, it's the best we can do.
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  3. #573
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    Emstidor's Avatar
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    Emstidor Diabolos
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    Excalibur
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    Monk Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72 View Post
    We don't need another magic user when we have whm. They would most likely end up being the same job... Oh wait... Blm, smn, sch.


    See how that works? Lol.

    Or swords? We don't need Another sword user it would be the same Job... Wait a minute....ninja gladiator darknight... Shit. They did it again.

    Lol. Damn monk is the only bare handed combat class. dancer, with their moves, could easily incorporate some mnk skills(with having cross class currently and whatever they are changing it to later) and still have its own style.
    Oh come on that's disengenuous and you know it. "Martial artist" is a hell of a lot more specific to class identity than "mage" or "sword guy", so I don't know why you try to muddle the issue with bad examples. A much better case would be if SE teased Geomancer as a "holy-themed earth mage", or Templar as a "dragon-themed spear-wielder", and you can BET people would throw a fit over their WHM and DRG class identities getting the shaft.

    People shouldn't react any better to "rhythm-themed martial artist", and if they do it's only because they're too in love with the idea of Dancer to see how bad it would be for the game. Besides, I see that as an extremely lazy way to implement a new job, and I know SE can do it better if we don't encourage them to slack off.
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    Last edited by Emstidor; 01-11-2017 at 03:40 AM.

  4. #574
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    Thunda_Cat_SMASH's Avatar
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    Quote Originally Posted by Emstidor View Post
    Geomancer as a "holy-themed earth mage".
    It would be nice to have more variety. I don't think we actually have any holy themed jobs in game barring maybe the Paladin. White Mage isn't a holy(Read: God themed) job, so I don't see what a holy themed earth job could compete with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emstidor View Post
    Oh come on that's disengenuous and you know it. "Martial artist" is a hell of a lot more specific to class identity.
    I'd actually argue that martial artist is the least specific of the three. Martial arts involve much more than unarmed combat and also includes any form of martial discipline that uses a weapon, such as a bo, nunchaku, kusarigama, sai, and even just a plain old sword and shield. If you've want to get really technical, "martial arts" encompasses pretty much every art, or discipline, of war.
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    Last edited by Thunda_Cat_SMASH; 01-11-2017 at 06:48 AM.

  5. #575
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    Iromi's Avatar
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    Tilla Eversong
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    Siren
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Well speaking of similar jobs, we do have mch and brd >.>

    whm and ast...they basically do the same things just a little differently. I wouldn't mind a martial artist type dancer job. We only have one "dagger" class (well, more like katana :P) and I would love to see another dagger job..if that is dancer then hell yea ^^
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  6. #576
    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Kosmos Meishou
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    Behemoth
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Iromi View Post
    Well speaking of similar jobs, we do have mch and brd >.>

    whm and ast...they basically do the same things just a little differently. I wouldn't mind a martial artist type dancer job. We only have one "dagger" class (well, more like katana :P) and I would love to see another dagger job..if that is dancer then hell yea ^^
    One thing we are actually missing is a DoW healer - aka a physical healer. I'd really like to see a melee job that is a healer.
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  7. #577
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    Mithrahn's Avatar
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    L'yuuyami Oschon
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    Hyperion
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    Alchemist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Emstidor View Post
    Oh come on that's disengenuous and you know it. "Martial artist" is a hell of a lot more specific to class identity than "mage" or "sword guy", so I don't know why you try to muddle the issue with bad examples. A much better case would be if SE teased Geomancer as a "holy-themed earth mage", or Templar as a "dragon-themed spear-wielder", and you can BET people would throw a fit over their WHM and DRG class identities getting the shaft.
    Now you're either just being biased or your view/knowledge of martial arts is too narrow.
    "Martial Arts" isn't any more specific than "Mage" or "Swordwielders". There are many forms of 'martial arts' as there are many forms of 'magic' and 'swordstyles', even if to you all martial arts are the same.
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  8. #578
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    Emstidor's Avatar
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    Emstidor Diabolos
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    Excalibur
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    Monk Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrahn View Post
    Now you're either just being biased or your view/knowledge of martial arts is too narrow.
    "Martial Arts" isn't any more specific than "Mage" or "Swordwielders". There are many forms of 'martial arts' as there are many forms of 'magic' and 'swordstyles', even if to you all martial arts are the same.
    Be that as it may, my concern (and opinion) is that these two:



    aren't distinctive enough to warrant being two separate classes, at least based off what we've been shown so far.
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  9. #579
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    Lufir's Avatar
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    Lufir Lumini
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    Leviathan
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72 View Post
    We don't need another magic user when we have whm. They would most likely end up being the same job... Oh wait... Blm, smn, sch.

    See how that works? Lol.

    Or swords? We don't need Another sword user it would be the same Job... Wait a minute....ninja gladiator darknight

    Hell they could have a small blade of some sort to go with their combat style.
    Except that is totally different. So no, that's not how it works. Having two jobs with the same exact monk skills is not the same as jobs with totally different magic skills. Black magic is different than white magic and summoning magic. You can't just bundle them in the same generalization to fit your argument. Having the lady in red to be a dancer who mimics the WoL's every move, would be like adding another job with a bow and songs. She IS that similar to a Monk. In addition, generalizing swords into the same category as Katanas (SAM) and daggers (NIN) is just flat out ridiculous.
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  10. #580
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    Damien Belmont
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Spiderman could also refer to a Dancer/Puppetmaster mix. Martial artist that uses strings to fight and manipulate a puppet and also have dances active on the char and the puppet much like a Bard.
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