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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    I say this because when HW launched there was an interview about SAM and DRK. It was stated they wanted both but ended up going with DRK over SAM, which makes me assume SAM will remain a tank if it's released in Stormblood.
    Actually, what Yoshi P said was that they had considered adding SAM as a tank, but they felt that DRK fit the HW theme better and they had just released NIN, so he didn't know if it would be a good idea to do another Eastern job right away or not. Also that Yoshi's image of a SAM is that of a lightly-armored (just a kimono) iaijutsu master (quick draw katana style) a la Roroni Kenshin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Actually, what Yoshi P said was that they had considered adding SAM as a tank, but they felt that DRK fit the HW theme better and they had just released NIN, so he didn't know if it would be a good idea to do another Eastern job right away or not. Also that Yoshi's image of a SAM is that of a lightly-armored (just a kimono) iaijutsu master (quick draw katana style) a la Roroni Kenshin.
    Just thought to add to the light weight part with an old reference.. since I can't recall all the times it was put forth but I do remember a few times people had said he said (lol great way to start misinformation ), that he thought it more of a DD job.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...erview-Summary

    Also: http://www.cgmagonline.com/2015/03/1...-with-yoshi-p/

    And I'm fairly certain it's been said more than that (either "not sure" or "I feel like it's a DD job").

    I don't mind SAM being tank (I feel the whole parry idea is a bit weird in lore comparison to other tanks but whatever, not a big deal), but at least everything I see from Yoshida either points at "not sure, tank seems more shogun" or more specifically "I want it to be DD". I see people feel really confident it'll be tank, but I'm wondering if its just their gut feeling. Since it seems Yoshida isn't confident at all on that aspect. Imo would love to see Katana in a more DD position, but I get people wanting to see the heavy armor and thinking that's got to be tank (although I think SAM would fit just fine in the same vein of armors as DRG who has heavy and light options and is DD).
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    *Crosses fingers* hopefully somehow RDM can change to a healer role/queue up as healer, so we get a healer as well as a DPS and Tank.
    (I know, wishful thinking)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    *Crosses fingers* hopefully somehow RDM can change to a healer role/queue up as healer, so we get a healer as well as a DPS and Tank.
    (I know, wishful thinking)
    I thought something similar but it doesnt seem to be the case with the reveal of RDM I did however feel like if they only were to introduce two jobs that they could have a "spec" in which they were both dps initially but could enter as one of two roles depending on a stance or something. Right now, though I feel like the path of least resistance would be 2 dps and next time 1 tank 1 healer. As far as SAM he mentioned something like yes he felt sam would fit a dps when he thinks about it, but hed be watching community input to see what the community wanted.I think in SAM case theres a good amount of desire on both sides for it to be one or the other. To be honest, I could see a melee using a stance to turn it from a dps to tank, i mean they just need good mitigation and a few cd(could even transform a damage buff cd to a defense one if in bushido stance or whatever) however Spiderman seems like a trifecta of what it actually could be to me, acrobat, bluemage, samurai, even Tamer(webbing)
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    2 DPS this expansion then Healer and Tank next expansion... done :P

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
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    Well they picked DRK because of the theme of the expansion and SAM didn't fit. Also they already released a eastern job pretty recently so they decided against SAM. Also that doesn't mean it will be Tank it could easily be a DPS. Also some people give the evidence that in that same Interview Yoshi personally sees SAM as a DPS. Of course that doesn't mean it will be a DPS. I am sure quite a few people want it as a DPS. Anyone I have spoken with has said they would rather see SAM as a DPS than Tank and that is coming from some Tanks.
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    Last edited by Remus; 02-15-2017 at 01:58 AM.

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    My money is on SAM tank with an outside chance of DNC healer. I think the shirt is a reference to Samurai, but if not the job's presence in the game data clinches it. Assuming Yoshi has expressed a preference for a lighter armor SAM, I'd like to see a SAM tank take up the opportunity they missed with NIN DPS: evasion tank, something SE did right in XI (and no one else has since).

    Dancer is a long shot but not out of the question (unlike BLU, which I wouldn't bet on at all), since I expect at least one surprise on Saturday.

    If we get a healer and a tank SAM to go with RDM, that's a 4-4-7 split, an improvement in role health if you play DPS. If we don't get a surprise healer, instead we might see changes with how roles work after cross-class changes. I don't know that I would expect DPS Marauders in June, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Samurais could do either role. We'll see.
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    I'm reminded again of the rumor of some jobs getting multiple specs based on a variation of weapon. Like Warriors dual-wielding one handed axes for a DPS spec. I can't see it happening for Stormblood, but maybe in 5.0 or 6.0 it could be a thing. Just runs the same issue as SCH/SMN (and those two working against the system being two different jobs rather than one with two specs), in terms of which stat you'd invest in. Probably would also create gear issues or require built-in passives linked to the weapons to turn the primary stat to a DPS boosting stat depending on the weapons wielded.
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    People love to talk about what Yoshi said in an off hand comment about Samurai and his personally seeing it as a DPS, they rarely finish the comment...

    http://www.cgmagonline.com/2015/03/1...-with-yoshi-p/

    "In terms of how fans reacted, it makes me think ‘so if we were to put in a Samurai, how is it going to play into the realm of Final Fantasy XIV? Would it be a tank? But that doesn’t seem to make sense because Samurai seems to be more of a DPS. Or if we were to go in the vein of a tank, wouldn’t it be a Shogun?’ those kind of thoughts start brewing in my head. Then we would look to the fan feedback again and see what the community is asking for; what they’re searching for. What their image of what a Samurai ought to be. And again, play catch a little bit and converse and see what the fan thinks and determine and discern what would work in the realm of XIV. So by having that communication and that thought process and being pretty transparent out there, then the player would understand when we say ‘ok so we’re taking this all into consideration. It does take a while to implement a new job so if you could please wait.’ And then fans will understand: ‘oh, ok. So they are giving it a lot of thought, so I am going to see what’s going to come out of it."


    Here's the thing, in another interview he not only breaks down the Job selection process but also discusses role allotment, in addition he blatantly states He does not pick what is implemented.
    (Job discussion begins at 24:27)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyqedOqkaHI&t=1553s

    In hindsight this may very well be in response to the whining we got from Dark Knight being announced as a Tank rather than a DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alacran View Post
    People love to talk about what Yoshi said in an off hand comment about Samurai and his personally seeing it as a DPS, they rarely finish the comment...
    I assume you're talking about me since I referenced his comments recently, in which I'd point out I was using his stance on Samurai to show that it isn't "definitely going to be tank" and is still up in the air. And while he doesn't personally design every little thing in the game, as he can't and that's not how big game companies work, he could absolutely say "I want it DD, make it DD" and that would be the end of the story. So his opinion definitely matters.

    I don't feel like he will make it DD or tank for sure (things change, etc, etc), but for people who are posting like "it's going to be tank" there is more to say it isn't decided or fixed than to say it is. It was not some offhand comment saying that it was going to be DD/Tank for sure, just that I don't see where people's confidence is coming from rather than just their own wish that it would be (due to DF, or personal role they'd like it to be) - as a lot of people seem to be posting it as a matter of fact. Personally would not be shocked if it was DD or Tank.

    I would be surprised if it was a healer though, that'd catch me off guard.. lol.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 02-15-2017 at 09:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    I assume you're talking about me since I referenced his comments recently, in which I'd point out I was using his stance on Samurai to show that it isn't "definitely going to be tank" and is still up in the air. And while he doesn't personally design every little thing in the game, as he can't and that's not how big game companies work, he could absolutely say "I want it DD, make it DD" and that would be the end of the story. So his opinion definitely matters.
    No i was not singling you out specifically, if i had i would have addressed you as such. By and far the argument "Yoshi said..." is used far to often by far to many and finished far less so. I only felt it is ignorant and a disservice, for so many to quote a partial comment as gospel. You took the time ta at least add a link to the interview so as to provide the Full comment.

    I'll be happy to put this issue to rest when the last Job is reveled, regardless of role or number.
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