Repair NPCs in Dungeons

[Jeycht]

Never met someone with broken gear since 2.0 beta. I always have dark matters to repair. Always repair when I see these bar going down in my stat window. I mean, do you never check your gear or stat and see these blue/green/red bar depending the %?
At worst I always have sub ilvl gear on me too for my 2 jobs I use the most.
yeah ... it's definitly impossible to have 0%. Especially with that message saying you are below 10% now. Enough to finish a dungeon.

Edit: I remember that thread. Didn't know someone would 'necro' it. Decide to post too \o/

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It's an argument because humans are humans, and humans can forget things.

Right. And should such an occasion happen, you apologize and leave the dungeon if too much of your gear breaks. It's a lesson learned to check before you queue. I don't see how it's such an inconvenience you press C on your keyboard every so often to check on your gear.

In nearly a year and a half now, I have only ever had one incident with gear breaking. I just happened to be on an alt and queued into Brayflox only to realize after everything broke... I can't fix it on that character. Little embarrassing but the group I got found it funny.

[Riardon]

I don't think this is necessary at all. So many Mender NPC's around. You can also self repair your gear in dungeons if you have lvl'ed up crafters. It's also easy to check if your gear needs repair soon. You also get a warning message at 10%. Putting NPC's in dungeon is also silly thing to look at. Like what a guy waiting inside a dark wet cave with creeps to fix your stuff? No thanks. Just fix your gear regularly and do not wait for it to go too low.

[Adire]

Right. And should such an occasion happen, you apologize and leave the dungeon if too much of your gear breaks.

As I said in my post as recently as on the previous page, if my gear breaks, the group can kick me or deal with it. It's not a decision I made so to punish myself for something that simply escaped my mind would be pointless, and I strongly encourage no one else to do so as well. Being kicked and leaving achieves the same effect for the group, which either way hampers its run.

I'm not even talking about myself for the most part in this thread. I'm tired of seeing other people's gear break and nothing able to be done about it and having to suffer for their innocent mistake as well.

Sorry, but if your "standards" involve everyone's entire run going south for one person simply forgetting something with no hope of correcting the problem, we will never agree.

[Lexia]

If person so forgetful they need to level their crafts they can then repair when ever they want even in the middle of a battle.

[HaelseMikiro]

......if my gear breaks, the group can kick me or deal with it. It's not a decision I made so to punish myself for something that simply escaped my mind would be pointless, and I strongly encourage no one else to do so as well. Being kicked and leaving achieves the same effect for the group, which either way hampers its run.

I'm tired of seeing other people's gear break and nothing able to be done about it and having to suffer for their innocent mistake as well.

Sorry, but if your "standards" involve everyone's entire run going south for one person simply forgetting something with no hope of correcting the problem, we will never agree.

It's like running out of gas in your car. It's an innocent mistake the first time it happens in your life. If it happens a second time, then a person is just making bad decisions.
You don't ask Ford to install back up gas tanks, and you don't tell your friends to get out and push while you sit inside and steer.

[Adire]

It's like running out of gas in your car. It's an innocent mistake the first time it happens in your life. If it happens a second time, then a person is just making bad decisions.
You don't ask Ford to install back up gas tanks, and you don't tell your friends to get out and push while you sit inside and steer.

And yet people still run out of gas sometimes after the first time. Not to mention, you're forced to look at the fuel gauge in most cars if you want to see the crucial information about your driving, such as speed. So your eye is always on it.

That's also a terrible comparison. If backup tanks were in cars, people would still probably run out sometimes. If a repair NPC was in a dungeon, no one would ever have a real excuse for being unable to repair and screwing their group's run up because of that ever again.

And, with how many people you run into in DF, depending on your luck you may see that "first time forgetter" often. Doesn't make it any less problematic.

[Fluffernuff]

You seem to be trying to avoid the fact most of us keep trying to tell you though:
It's not "just an innocent mistake." When it comes to gear durability, it is SEVERAL innocent mistakes that then results in hampering the run. Not having an NPC in a dungeon doesn't hamper the run. YOUR lack of preparation hampers the run. Thus why we are calling your argument laziness. And thus why we find the idea lacking.

Yet while "addressing" this, you simply repeat "it's just a mistake. humans make mistakes." which... is the entire argument we dispute.

I, for one, am not purely against the idea in principle, but I cannot agree to it based on the premise of "I forgot". I need a much better excuse than laziness to agree to.



Gear isn't made of paper. Durability lasts for a while. Press C, look at some bars, pay some money to a creepy stranger in your house, THEN queue. done. QoL achieved. SE made it really easy to repair gear.
Or in my argument, which you seem to ignore, it's even easier. You don't even need to press C. JUST GO TO A MENDER AND REPAIR! No, seriously. If you don't have crafters leveled, then your gear should/will always be 99% or less. just repair your dang gear.


Besides... having an NPC in the dungeon doesn't actually help or address your argument anyway. an NPC in a dungeon wont do anything to help you remember to repair your gear. All it will do is enable your poor behavior- in fact, it encourages it, as some one earlier gave examples of. Encouraging poor behavior is the opposite of QoL. encouraging bad behavior is the opposite of "progress".

These are all things we have explained and nothing I have seen actually addressed. Can you address them? It would be nice to actually see if the other side has anything to actually discuss. All we have is "Because lore" and "I forget".

[Shougun]

I don't see why we have to have a repair NPC or why we should just have these mistakes be a thing (wouldn't mind an NPC if lore fits, but has to be feature scrapped so people don't shop).

If people don't want to have another repair option, which is fine, could we at least make it so you can't queue for stuff if you're below like 50% durability? At the point of hitting 0 everyone would leave anyways lol, and you couldn't re-queue until you fixed your stuff. So if people don't want the extra net then just put up a simple blockade instead :P, in a round about way it also solves the issue. Compromise . (I do think its funny if you're frequently queuing with broken gear, that's really hard to do.. like I've never had broken gear in a dungeon before lol).

Although I really wanted the moogle buddy, and feel it could fit (just partial features inside dungeon, so people don't shop around - outside could be featured better). Pops up, hiding his pom cause he's scared, ask for repairs - charges you 10% extra cause he's in a dungeon other features blocked out cause you're in a dungeon, leaves. Outside you can send him to retrieve/deposit stuff from retainer, tell your squadron to stop lazing about, etc.

[Kiyashi]

I've only ever run into this problem while raiding. Never as a dungeon run. That being said, you can get yourself a lvling leve kit for the crafting jobs and just get them to 50 asap with capped leves. They even increased the exp needed to lvl up. It's literally just walking up to an NPC and trading them items for massive amounts of exp. If you can't do that well then sorry, repairing is one of the perks for lvling the crafter jobs up.