the "relic" and "anima" and whatever 4.0 version of it should not be powerful

[Tyndles]

The only people that think the relic being the same ilvl is unfair are those that cleared A12 in the first week or two. (Not saying ALL of those people think its unfair, though)

They had their 3-4 months of having THE BEST weapon, now its the very end of an expansion, get over it. The entire chain from start to finish takes just as much time, if not MORE than your raid. Get over it. (Notice I did not say effort)

[CrimsonThunder]

Ehm, I got all my runes doing front lines for the Garo event. If you chose to rush your weapon and got annoyed then why is that SE's fault?

[Spawnie]

Ehm, I got all my runes doing front lines for the Garo event. If you chose to rush your weapon and got annoyed then why is that SE's fault?

Pretty much how ive done mine.. on the last rune now would of finished it yesterday but had ps4 net problems ._. 12 phonecalls and around 4 hours on the phone just to fix the issue lmao would of gladly grinded fates instead xD

[Kaedan]

Jealous isn't the right word. More like, I am annoyed that braindead grinds are given the same merit and achievement as mastering the game when it is clearly not the same thing.

Far more effort is expended getting a maxed out Anima weapon than getting a maxed out Token weapon or Primal weapon. Yes, you may need to spend a few weeks practicing a fight before you finally succeed, but the Anima weapons take months.

Also, to say it's "braindead" and that you don't have to "master the game" is not really true. There's no more "mastering" of the game done getting the gobdip or primal weapon than there is getting the Anima weapon. In fact, it could be argued you do far more "mastering" of the game doing the Anima because you end up doing a mixture of activities rather than memorizing just a few fights.

[CookieMonsta]

Far more effort is expended getting a maxed out Anima weapon than getting a maxed out Token weapon or Primal weapon. Yes, you may need to spend a few weeks practicing a fight before you finally succeed, but the Anima weapons take months.

Also, to say it's "braindead" and that you don't have to "master the game" is not really true. There's no more "mastering" of the game done getting the gobdip or primal weapon than there is getting the Anima weapon. In fact, it could be argued you do far more "mastering" of the game doing the Anima because you end up doing a mixture of activities rather than memorizing just a few fights.

Bit rich coming from a guy that hasn't cleared anything significant lol. I'm sorry to break your delusional universe but what you said is a load of crap. Go do A3S, A4S, A6S, A7S and/or A8S in appropriate ilevel and come back and tell me how long it takes to learn. (hint, each of those fights can take months)

Anima takes zero skill and zero mastery, it just takes time and willpower. You can have zero knowledge of the game beyond google, a lot of time and a lot of self loathing and you can get any relic. I've done both raids and relic and I can tell you. The relic doesn't even come close to the effort required to master a raid tier, you don't master anything by doing relic. At best, you learn how burn yourself out faster.

This "memorizing" of fights tells you me you know nothing about endgame difficult content. There is so much more involved to becoming an effective raider.

1. Mastering your class/role
2. Mastering strategy
3. Mastering people skills
4. Mastering communication
5. Mastering morale

Each of those points can take months, if not years to accomplish. Some never even begin to climb the mountain of knowledge.

[RubyCirha]

Yea it's the end of an expansion the rellic exists to bring everyone up to the same base line for the next expansion sooo no I feel it shouldn't be a glamor item or what ever is should be and end game wepon and I'll be honest some of the rellic is harder/more time consuming then just farming a12s Alexander was a cake walk compared to farming this rellic but only cas this rellic is soooooo boreing I meen I like the quest it's self but the grinds are nuts

[Llynd]

To me, the grind should stop at 270. And the very Last step increasing it to 275 should need a a12s token. So this way, casu still have 270 wep ( which is the greatest after raid) and raiders will still have the Best wep. Cuz yeah, as a healer i'd be very frustrated not to have my relic at 275 ( because of the accuracy i need it so much) while all the other got their 275, when I'm raiding Just like em', Just because my A12s wep sucks.

[CookieMonsta]

To me, the grind should stop at 270. And the very Last step increasing it to 275 should need a a12s token. So this way, casu still have 270 wep ( which is the greatest after raid) and raiders will still have the Best wep. Cuz yeah, as a healer i'd be very frustrated not to have my relic at 275 ( because of the accuracy i need it so much) while all the other got their 275, when I'm raiding Just like em', Just because my A12s wep sucks.

This is exactly how WoW does it except it goes even further and makes the relic 280 or 285 even after the Savage clears are augmented to the weapon. You finish with undoubtedly the best weapon of an expansion which is also a useful raiding weapon for the next expansion. Something truly powerful to work towards.

[Aquaslash]

I finished each step of the relic on release so I didn't do any step when it got nerfed so please don't act as if I didn't do it thanks. I honestly still believe people are blowing it out of proportions and it wasn't that bad like ARR. I spammed ARF but I also spammed Antitower when I got bored of that place. I finished the ARR relic as well by the way before any step got nerfed so I believe I am in a position to compare them both from my experience. All I will say is people don't use their time very well so it seems like it is longer than it really is. People who continue to complain and complain for a relic nerf could use that time to be doing the relic and you would be surprised how quick it can be done if you work on just that and stomach through it. The whole point of the relic is grind for a good weapon so of course its going to feel annoying and tedious that's the whole point of it, but with that you will eventually get the weapon as strong or even stronger when it reaches 275 then raid weapons.

Well I guess if you're a total NEET who spends every waking hour on the game, then the steps will seem quick. Do realize that you are a minority, and that for those of us with actual lives, the literal requirement of tens of thousands of tomestones is a serious time sink. That's what it was meant to be, and that's fine. I'm not part of the crowd asking for nerfs.

You literally do nothing of skill to achieve exactly what those who bust their ass actually learning and mastering the game achieve.

While I'm here, I'll go on and say that the only hard part of raiding is finding seven competent people who can fit your schedule. At least this is the case for Alexander, and especially creator. Aether seems to think Zurvan is harder since they shit the bed when you so much as say the word "Soar"

This "memorizing" of fights tells you me you know nothing about endgame difficult content. There is so much more involved to becoming an effective raider.

1. Mastering your class/role
2. Mastering strategy
3. Mastering people skills
4. Mastering communication
5. Mastering morale

Each of those points can take months, if not years to accomplish. Some never even begin to climb the mountain of knowledge.

If it takes you years to master ANY of those in the context of beating a video game boss, you need to end your sub, uninstall the game, and sell your playing device, in that order. You're quite literally wasting your life on a god damned video game.

[Khemorex]

WARNING :P

*special snowflake syndrom* still active in this thread :P